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2 things here...


1. Here's another poster denying the effectiveness of the vaccine without any logical rationale.




Since you quoted the text, I'm sure you can point out with specificity where it is in that quote that I "denied" the effectiveness of the totally, never-before-conducted large scale implementation of emergency authorized experimental genetic therapy to treat the effects of the SARS-COV-2 bio-weapon.

But even if I were to question their efficacy in this case, so what? You are the one advocating for this so-called vaccine, then advocate. If I take up a skeptical position, it's not my job to prove your claims. Present you data and their sources. I'm assuming you have access to all the latest research on the large scale use of messenger RNA genetic therapies on the general population. Oh, wait... that's right! You don't because it has never been done before until now, so kindly stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.

So in the end this thread doesn't even amount to the usual predictable strawman that is seen so often on this board, but it is actually an example of a straw man within another straw man. The advocates for the vaccine have to take position that people on this board not only doubt the effectiveness of mRNA therapy, but they are doubt the effectiveness of any vaccine. Why? Because they have insufficient data to support their initial claim, so they choose to caricature the other side in lazy, cynical attempt to be right in at least some capacity.


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2. To the dude who posted this, you do realize this is your to me stating factually that a vaccine is a vaccine, right? Or, you had no idea what you were even replying to, which is it? It can only be 1 of the 2.


SARS-COV-2 is a biological weapon. The "vaccine" is in fact a highly experimental genetic mRNA protein treatment authorized for emergency use to stop the biological weapon from making your very ill with possible lifelong complications or even killing you. That's the plan, at least. I for one hope that all goes as planned, the therapy works, etc. But please cease with this false equivalency that that an emergency authorization of mRNA treatment to fight the effects of biological weapon unleashed upon the world is any way comparable to traditional vaccine treatment. They are not the same.
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Whatever you say, Ben Shapiro.

Enjoy being vaccinated and stop worrying about whether anyone else wants it.


They are just getting nervous. The official narrative plebs have finally figured out that the same people who funded and developed the SARS-COV-2 bio-weapon also funded and developed the experiemental gene therapy meant to be the "cure." When I was kid growing up there was rumor that there was ten-foot alligator that frequented one of the lakes we would fish and swim. Nobody wanted to get in the water alone. "Come on in, boys! No ten-foot alligator in here! It's safe..." :lol:
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The fact that he lied about being the top chief science officer at Pfizer is the first big red flag. He was VP of one unit at one branch of the company and was fired from that position in 2011. And has no training or career experience in virology, epidemiology, vaccines or infectious diseases. He oversaw the production of inhalers for asthma and COPD.


He wasn't "fired." Pfizer closed its research and development branch in Sandwich, England at which Yeadon was in fact their chief scientific officer of allergy and respiratory research. Pfizer later partnered with Yeadon and licensed his medical research for development at Yeadon's biotechnology startup in exchange for equity in any forthcoming patents. Yeadon's company, Ziarco, was eventually sold to Novartis somewhere north of a billion dollars. If you following closely you will realize that even after Yeadon left Pfizer they were still funding his biotechnology research in 2016 and no doubt profited nicely from his work since Ziarco eventually developed several effective pharmaceutical biotechnologies.

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His story only devolves more from there


Uuum, okay...Whatever that means.

Mick West througoughly debunked the USS Russell footage a little more than planes and a lense iris effect. It's all BS and probably just another psyop brought to you by our kabuki theatre overlords. The Clinton and Podesta were previously trying to sell the UFO narrative about "disclosure" coming into the 2016 election, so its likely that this particular psyop has been on the back burner because of Trump. If you look at Tom Delonge and the To The Stars Academy it's backed by senior ex-CIA. One wonders about the motivation and given the track record of the players. It almost certainly nothing benign. If this follows the usual pattern, the story is 100 percent fabricated, but the false flag will make it as real as possible. One can imagine quite a number of scenarios in government interests might use experimental drones and other aircrafts to achieve political and social "agenda."
Tampa Bay is just waaaay better. Like Romo said, take away the Chiefs jumping out to a 17-0 lead in first game and Bucs have since outscored them 55-19. Tonight was about as bad as I've ever seen an NFL team get dominated on the LOS. LF looked like he was back in the SEC out there tonight running behind LSU's line in 2015. The push Tampa's oline got tonight should frankly embarrass the Chiefs organization and their fans. They got absolutely mauled. As bad as that was, Tampa's DL and overall defense was probably even more dominant, if that's even possible. Mahomes is lucky he walked away from this game without a serious injury. He took some serious shot out there. Brady was Brady. Not sure who all Tampa returns next year, but that defense could even improve with more experience as they have some young players. They could be something really special.

re: Tom Brady is a Witch

Posted by the whyrly byrd on 1/29/21 at 10:11 am
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Brady played a very bad game of football and his team won. That doesnt happen often in the modern nfl

Two qbs from that day

QB A

55%--280 yards--3 tds--3ints--73.8 rating

QB B

69%--346 yards--3 tds--1 int--101.6 rating


I would say in todays nfl QB A's team wins maybe 5% of the time with the play of the quarterback has that big of a discrepancy


Hence, the joke of having a good god


Rodgers is the king of a made up stat in QBR, but not the king of winning which is why he has lost three straight NFC championships. Actually watch the game. Rodgers attempted 50 passes and only averaged 3.5 air yards per attempt. Brady was going for the jugular and the one making the big plays in the air, hence the reason why Brady's completed air yards past the LOS per completion was almost double Rodgers. Rodgers scrambles around a lot to find open receivers and get a bunch of garbage dinky plays, but he he got sacked 9 times in two games against Tampa Bay resulting in a lot of drive killing down and distances. Despite what the stats say, he's actually the reason they lose big games because he can't manage a consistent offense inside the pocket. He always takes a stupid sack, fumbles, or something trying to make plays with his legs. He's not comfortable in the pocket. Rodgers is ridiculously overrated, and Brady left no doubt who the better QB is at Green Bay.

Besides, two of the interceptions were actually good plays by Brady. He sailed the second a little but the receiver could have made a play. The last interception was basically a punt and avoided a sack which could have led to turnover in Tampa territory. Getting rid of the ball there was smart. The only legitimate interception Brady threw was the first one, and what happened? On the very next drive, Rodgers in 3 and 5 takes a -10 yard sacked on a linebacker blitz and kills the drive. Very next drive, Tampa Bay is about to score again and put the game away. Brady has Mike Evans wide open over the middle. Should have been a TD or at minimum first and goal from inside the five. The game should have ended on this play, but the ball sailed and goes off the WR's hands. If Evens catches or doesn't deflect, it's obviously not an interception. But the point is moot because on the very next play Rodgers gets sacked again by the same linebacker, lol. Those sacks at minimum cancel out the interceptions. They are absolutely drive killing and avoidable, but Rodgers is always doing crap like that. He's got a million dollar arm and legs, but you can tell he's basically a stereotypical golden boy jock with the rocket arm. He's a great athlete, but in terms of reading defenses, making adjustments at the LOS, and using his brain, Brady might as well be from a different planet inhabited only by Mensa members compared to mere Earthling like Rodgers.
Ole Hank was way too much of a free spirit to be a GMO human. No transhumanity for him, no sir.
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That was squarely on the Falcons. They did literally EVERYTHING they had to do to make that collapse happen. `


Agreed. Falcons played not to lose and of course they lost. Funny thing is that Green Bay was down last year 27-0 in the playoffs at halftime to a Kyle Shanahan coached team, and let's just say Aaron Rodgers did not engineer huge comeback. Green Bay got crushed. Yea, Atlanta should have won the game, but the come back was a very Brady thing. He was probably that only player on that stage who could take advantage, so Brady still deserves a ton of credit. He was all their offense and defense. He kept Atlanta's offense off the field by engineering four or five drives that lasted for 5 minutes or more. That' the only reason they were able to get back in the game in the first place. Atlanta cooled down offensively, and at the same time Brady gassed Atlanta's defense. I think New England held the ball on offense for over 40 minutes.
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ETA: And that's not to take anything away from Tom, I think he's the GOAT. I just don't think we need to omit or skew details here, the Pats didn't look good last year and it didn't look any better going forward. Tom knew what he was doing going to a team with a plethora of offensive weapons. To his credit he took a talented team and made them more disciplined which has been their downfall, even Arians admits Tom is basically a coach. But the state of the Patriots this year, I don't think even Tom could save them or win the East over the Bills this year. And he knew that, which is why he bounced.


Agreed about the Pats. They wouldn't have won it this year, most likely. Their skill players are terrible. No exaggeration to say that there are probably three or four SEC schools that have better receivers, especially the number one spot. Brady probably did see the writing on the wall, but that's the way they have always managed their skill positions because Brady's talent allowed them that flexibility. It just finally caught up with them.
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Yes they did. This is their 3rd playoff appearance in 4 years. They missed 2018, not last year. They took a giant step forward this year but I'm tired of people acting like this wasn't something that's been brewing for a while and something that came out of nowhere, it's a false narrative.


My bad. Covid has got me all screwed up with weird start dates, suspending seasons, etc. and ending dates for major sports. But the point still stands. They went from a road wild card team to hosting divisional home game. That's a huge advantage in the playoffs. AFC East historically isn't as poor as people think. New England and Brady have sandbagged a lot of those teams in the past.
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Correct. So how are you going to convince me Brady is the greatest? If he scores a Td or throws a pick 6, and his defense wins the game by scoring 3 TDs, that doesn't make him great. Nobody calls Trent Dilfer one of the greats. If greatness is measured by jewelry, and had Brady had the same backup QB for 20 years, we probably debating on which is the better QB.


Look at Brady's stats in the playoffs. He's played a whole season worth of divisional playoff games and is 14-2 for 4,600 yards, 32 TD, 11 INT. So in 16 games against elite competition in the playoffs , his numbers are good enough to be top five this year in passing. That's elite. Even this year at 43 he finished second in the league in completions, second in TD's, third in passing yards, and third in first downs.

Even against the Saints, we can nitpick his stats but what needs to be mentioned is the fact that both Gronk and Godwin dropped TD's and Brate dropped a 40 yard bomb that hit him in the hands. Brady very easily could have had 4 TD 300 yard game against the Saints, but nah... all luck. Just a coincidence also the first year Brady leaves AFC East, Bills are one game from Super Bowl. Bills didn't make playoffs last year cause they got swept by Brady and the Pats. How many playoff caliber AFC East teams were eliminated by him? Bills were a good team last year too. Same thing with Tampa Bay. The moment he joins NFC South and breaks all their passing records, Bucs are suddenly good running Tom Brady offense. All just a coincidence and luck, I guess. Or maybe Bill Belichick is secretly coaching the Bucs. Could be... That must be it.
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I always wondered what would happen to Brady if he was drafted by Washington or Cincinnati.


Hard to say, but the Patriots had historically been pretty bottom tier. Parcells and Pete Carroll were the coaches there before Belichick, and Parcells did make one Super Bowl with Bledsoe. If Bledsoe doesn't get injured and Brady never gets to start, I think Belichick probably get fired in 2001. Robert Kraft was not known as a patient owner. Pete Carroll had never even had a losing season, went 8-8 in 1999, and Kraft fired him mainly because he didn't make the playoffs with a top 10 defense and Pro Bowl QB in Bledsoe. Belichick first season was an abysmal 5-11 and he started 2001 0-2. He also inherited some Hall of Fame talent developed by both Parcells and Pete Carroll. New England already had the 7th best in the league defense when Belichick got there, and the core of that defense that anchored three Super Bowls was installed by Pete Carroll. Drew Bledsoe was only 27 and was considered by many an elite QB, but Belichick started 5-13 with that roster. Tom Brady probably saved Belichick's career as viable candidate for a head coaching job in the league. I doubt he even gets another look after the Jets fiaco and spurning Bill Parcells.
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I stopped reading here. If you are going to start refuting with BS then the rest doesn't matter.

The NFC South has 3 SB teams and 2 MVP QBs in it.

Not bothering with reading the rest.


And the Patriots played one of those NFCS Super Bowl teams and won. The NFC South has been a good division, but Atlanta was only an 11-5 team the year they lost in the Super Bowl to the Patriots. For comparisons sake, Dolphins won 10 games that year in the AFC East. Carolina won the division one year with a sub-.500 record, right? NFC South had back-to-back teams in the Super Bowl, and both lost. Saints made it once to NFC title game and lost. In two of those years, the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Brady's first season in the NFC South, he damn near wins the division and bounced the division winner in the Saints out of the playoffs, so he basically did the NFC South dirty the same way he dumped on the AFC East for all those years.

Face it. Brady is just that great. As a pocket passer he has no weaknesses. He might have not all the physical attributes of some other great QB's we've seen, but he is at worst an A- at everything from the pocket, and on top of that he's probably the greatest pre-snap QB in the history of the game. Only other guy that even compares from the neck up is Peyton Manning. In addition to all the physical and mental aspects in which he is absolutely elite, Brady has that killer instinct you can't teach. I've watched his whole career, and the one thing that has always stood out to me about his competitive drive is that Brady wants to kill his opponent on every play. Every single play he's trying to drive in the dagger. He's like a Jordan or a Kobe in terms of will to win. Adding up all those factors, he's just the best to ever do it.
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Im not though. I don't have a bad day or week if the Saints lose. I simply stated thr truth and you think I'm shitting on the GOAT. Nothing I said was wrong. In fact I dare you to refute any of it. You'll have to take Bradys dick out of your mouth first though.


AFC East being the worst division and Brady being carried by Belichick's defense are both mostly myths. Three divisions (AFC South, NFC South, NFC East) were actually worse than the AFC East versus the Patriots. Four divisions (AFC North, NFC North, NFC West, AFC West) had a better record than the AFC East against the Patriots, but the Patriots still dominated those divisions, winning 73 percent of their games against the next three toughest divisions. Patriots won 75 percent against the AFC East. Patriots toughest division was the AFC West where they only won 65 percent of their games. This worse record against the AFC West is almost certainly explained due to long road trips and the time zone change.

Removing the Patriots and other division winners so as not to skew the data, AFC East actually had the second best overall record in the league against opposing divisions during the Brady/Belichick era. The Patriots are what made the AFC East look so bad because they punished the division's potential wild card teams. Against the rest of the league, AFC East was actually pretty decent.

As far as Patriots and Bill Belichick's defense carrying Brady , the Patriots have had some good defense for sure, but overall the offense was even better. New England probably has the worst skill positions in the NFL right now, so I'll exclude Brady's final season in the numbers. But if we take the rest of Brady's tenure, the offense on average ranked 5th in the league, while the defense ranked 7th. Both the offense and defense led the league three times. Mostly the Patriots have been good on both sides of the ball. However, the offense was actually the more consistent. Patriot's offense only finished outside the top 10 in points one time with Brady. The Patriots defense finished outside the top 10 in points allowed three times, but this doesn't really tell the whole story. There was a six-year window from 2010 to 2015 when Brady was arguably in his absolute peak, the offense was on average ranked ranked top three in the league putting up prolific numbers, but the defense was overall ranked just outside the top 10. If anything the Patriots defense squandered Brady's most prolific passing seasons.
That stench you smell wafting over college football is ESPN/Disney corporate model. They basically have a formula for everything, from Star Wars, to the NBA, super hero movies, college basketball, etc. If it feels like college football is movie directed by J.J. Abrams, it's because that not too far from the truth. Front-running media narrative is all ESPN knows how to do. It's like literally there entire "journalism" philosophy and really the only way they know how to cover sports.
It was an okay interview, but with all due respect it's not "larping" if the people doing it have a budget and security clearance. We already have a word for that: propaganda. The issue with American politics is that the media now defines political reality working hand in hand with our security state. The government itself might as well not exist for all intents and purposes and more or less functions as a political misdirection or firewall. Everything gets done via crises-solution/action-reaction media scripting and government fiat. This fact was completely on display in the election.

I also disagree completely with this notion that Trumpism lacks an intellectual foundation. Read the Constitution.
Guys, the President is the Commander-in-Chief. As such, he is the highest ranking commander of the U.S. Armed Forces -- the supreme commander of our military. As such he can't just make the claim that there is a foreign government working with domestic traitors in our nation to overthrow democracy and then just walk away. His duty at that point becomes to protect the nation and defend the Constitution at all cost. Instead of that happening, his own supporters will now apparently be charged with sedition. Why? Because some of them believed the claims he made and were, in their minds at least, willing and ready to defend democracy. It seems more than reasonable for people to believe and trust the President. The office is the nation's highest civilian and military authority. IMHO, they shouldn't be held responsible for anything because the highest office in our country made such extraordinary claims and their actions were a natural consequence of those statements, but instead the President gets to go play golf while some of these people will obviously face serious consequences.

There is an astonishing level of tone deafness on some here to realize the seriousness of Trump's abdication of his duties as Commander-in-Chief in light of everything that has been said. To make such a serious, historic claim and then walk away casts an extraordinary dark cloud of all our most basic political institutions. This is no less the capitulation of the American Republic when he clearly possesses the powers under the Constitution to prevent it.
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That’s on the Republican Party. Unfortunately, the GOP all hitched their wagons to the Trump train when they saw it had become politically convenient, thus as Trump went, so went the GOP. It’s the Republican Party’s own fault for enabling him for 4 years. The 2020 vote was a referendum against Trump and the GOP made the political mistake of being attached at the hip. Now that it’s no longer convenient, they are trying to distance themselves, but it’s too late


Trump won this election by a country mile. This isn't even a debate. Trump is right about that much. The GOP wasn't attached to him at the hip. If Establishment RINO's were, they would have back him up concerning the fraud. The issue here is that while Trump's claims are almost undoubtedly true, he is left the American people holding the bag and turning the government over to what he claims to be an illegitimate regime in Biden. You can't pose a problem of that magnitude and just leave the American people holding the bag. Trump should never voluntarily leave office if in fact he does believe that a foreign power overthrew our democracy, which is what he claimed. For him to basically concede legitimizes those actions.
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What exactly would you have the man do?


It's not what he should do now, it's what should have been done in the past or, more precisely, what should not have done prior to this point if he never had an end-game or if he wasn't willing to have the courage of his convictions. The claims he and his surrogates put forward concerning election fraud go to the very heart of our democracy and the legitimacy of our election system. They are the gravest and most serious charges one can make. You can't just make the claim that a foreign government and ideological enemy conspired about with your political opponents to rig an election and then just be like.. "Oh, well, gee guys... Yea, they cheated, but they got us. Nothing we can do. Better luck next time, except I won't be here. I'm out! C Ya!"