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McCain hated Obamacare


How many times did he say he would vote to repeal it? You'd think commitments to voters would mean a little more.
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Trump could have gotten it done, but he didn't. It doesn't matter what kind of a person McCain was, all Trump had to do was treat him with respect. But he just couldn't.


Didn't McCain say that he wouldn't vote for any healthcare bill that Democrats wouldn't also support? So it sounds like the Democrats (not Trump) were effectively in control of the process, because the critical Republican vote was giving them control.
The polling suggests that they would have a similar chance of beating Brown. That said, Trump's record of getting involved in these races isn't great. He is the reason Georgia amazingly has two D senators, among other things.
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You don't think Trump insulting him for months had anything to do with that?


I guess it's possible. As I recall, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2001 because he was angry about the 2000 primary. In 2017, McCain was saying that he wouldn't vote for any bill that Democrats didn't also support. Okay... The Democrats did not take that approach when passing Obamacare. Come to think of it, no Democrat has ever said anything like that. They vote as a bloc on every critical vote, no matter what. That's why they dominate.
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The vast majority of which were accomplished with EOs.

No lasting achievements other than being the first incumbent kicked out since Bush the Elder.



I mean, he tried to repeal Obamacare. McCain decided to support Obamacare, despite having made promises to his voters to do otherwise. The filibuster makes lasting achievements difficult.

The lasting achievement was saving the Supreme Court from being left-wing for another 50 years.
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It's sad Republicans even have to be worried about this election. The Dems are trying to gift the Republicans a sweep in this election and Republicans think it's cool to trot out a guy that alienates everyone.


The days of national landslides are long gone. No Republican is "guaranteed" a victory, against Biden or anyone else.
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This is why I despise Trump.

If he would have done what he said, not run again if he lost, the GOP could very well sweep all three.

Instead, we'll be lucky to hold one branch after the election.



I mean, the GOP swept all three in 2016. Could easily happen again.
I mean, you all voted for Romney, right? Who said in 1994 that he was more pro-choice than Ted Kennedy? Who passed the model for/precursor to Obamacare when he was the governor of Massachusetts? It is rarely a "perfect" candidate on offer.
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Actually the stupid response is enshrining in our civil law abstract philosophical dividing lines like personhood being assigned to embryos. There has to be a legal status of less than personhood. There’s nothing wrong with someone believing life begins at conception, but it is crazy to assign legal personhood from conception.


That means someone who kills a pregnant woman can only be charged with one homicide.

And again, this law, even though it expires, would remove all liability for damage to embryos. There was a $15 million judgment in San Francisco for destruction of embryos; this is not unusual.
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But it’s widely accepted by the same people that claim fertilized eggs are babies and that because so, abortion is murder.

So your point is moot.


Right, because as I said, IVF can be performed with intentionally destroying any embryos.
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Except people do have a problem with it. Conservatives have been on this insane warpath about how “life begins at conception!!!” If you take that stupid stance, the ruling in Alabama is the logical progression.

How is abandoning fertilized eggs different than abortion?


IVF does not require abandoning fertilized eggs.
So this means no action for negligence or breach of contract. So parents who pay for IVF cannot recover if the embyros they paid for are destroyed through negligence. Do people read these bills, or not?

re: IVF is about to be screwed

Posted by mikeybates on 2/19/24 at 10:10 pm to
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They cost us the Senate in 2022 and now they will cost us 2024.


Yeah, it's the pro-lifers' fault. So awful that they made the GOP nominate Walker, Masters, Dr. Oz. Etc. Lol.

re: IVF is about to be screwed

Posted by mikeybates on 2/19/24 at 10:08 pm to
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If you believe life begins at conception though wouldn't that make sense, each one of those is a person with a soul, don't they deserve their day in court and protections from medical malpractice against them? How is that different than accidently killing a patient with a mistake during surgery?


Should it be possible to recover for wrongful death if a pregnant women gets in a car accident and the unborn child dies? Should someone who kills a pregnant woman be charged with two homicides?
"Not being Biden" is a pretty good justification, in my view. The king in chess doesn't do much but by occupying his square he prevents others from doing so.
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btw-Trump lost most every "normal" city I can think of in 2020. La Crosse, Eau Claire, Green Bay, Wausau, Superior Janesville, Beloit.... Racine and Kenosha counties he may have won. Doubt he won those cities however and can't be bothered to check as it's immaterial.



Do Republicans normally win those cities? Didn't McCain and Romney (who I like, to be fair) lose Wisconsin by 10 points or something? Trump's done better in Wisconsin than any Republican in years. And I know Scott Walker did well, too, but it didn't vote Republican for President until 2016.
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Abortion was legal and common in ancient Greece.



Infanticide was also common in Greece and Rome. Indeed, it was considered unusual that Christians did not commit infanticide. Infanticide also remains quite common in India and China, where 1/3 of the global population lives. To prohibit infanticide is to "impose" Christian ethics on people who disagree.
Abortions are not as common as you think. First, the rule is more interesting than the exception. 75% of women will not get abortions by age 45.

Second, this figure varies wildly by population group. Everyone is familiar with the racial gap in abortion rates. It is not true, then, that 25% of white, and black, and Hispanic, etc., women will have abortions by age 45. It's more like 40% of black women, 15% of white women, etc.

The figure will also vary by location. The abortion rate by residence (not occurrence) was about 40% lower in red states than in blue states even before Dobbs. And in many red states the large majority of abortions are obtained by Democratic voters, given the demographic figures. So the lifetime incidence figure is probably closer to 5-10% among Republican voters (perhaps lower).

In truth, it is not hard to avoid having an abortion if you make responsible decisions. If it was just something that "happens to everyone," the rate would not vary so much by population group.
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The man has “control” up until the last point at which he was the physical capacity to exercise control. If the woman wants to be pregnant, she cannot get that way if the man chooses not to ejaculate. Pretending otherwise is just being combative for the sake of being pugnacious.



What is the basis of child support, then? If consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, the man cannot fairly be required to pay child support.
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If the laws are vague, the doctors don’t know whether they can terminate before it ruptures. If the law says you can terminate to save the life of the mother, how close to death does she need to be? This is not just about ectopic pregnancies. I used that as one of many examples. It’s hard to understand nuances of the law.


That's true of any homicide law. The fact that there are cases where lethal force may be lawfully used in self-defense, and that it is difficult to draw the line, is not an argument for the lawfulness of ordinary homicide. Fixating on the 1% of marginal cases obscures the central case of abortion.