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So when you say "I repeat, I think we are watching the fall of the Donbas" it's not because we are watching the Russians taking control of the area - not when they are taking 30 meters a day or whatever while taking outrageous losses. It's because the Russians keep sending out maps that have a slight exaggeration to begin with, and tell everyone "See? We are taking the Donbas, now just give it to us so we can stop with all this killing." And hell., if THOSE maps are exaggerations, even only slightly, have they taken anything at all?

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So in your opinion ISW, a think tank in Washington DC that is run by Frederick Kagan’s wife, is intentionally spreading Russian disinformation to demoralize NATO?

The information warfare aspects of this counteroffensive/counterattack are interesting. It feels like Ukrainian sources are intentionally downplaying it which is probably smart. Lesson learned from the 2023 summer counteroffensive maybe. Either that or Russian sources are exaggerating it which I don’t know what they would have to gain by doing that. Just interesting dynamic I think.

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In the Pokrovs'ke direction, over the past 5 days, Ukrainian forces have been carrying out clearing operations against lightly-manned Russian positions, as well as some larger counterattacks. Contrary to what I reported earlier, no large-scale counteroffensive is underway.

In the northeast, after accumulating significant amounts of infantry in the village of Orestopil, Ukrainian forces began pushing south down numerous treelines and gulleys, clearing out poorly-consolidated Russian positions all the way to Oleksiivka and Sosnivka. They were then able to enter Sosnivka and establish full control over the village and some surrounding positions. Other assault groups attempted to penetrate further south, but reached the more dug-in Russian positions north of Berezove and were unable to make any further progress.

To the west, Ukrainian forces advanced south from their bridgehead over the Vovcha River in the area of Tykhe, towards the village of Oleksiivka, and were able to capture the village of Vovche as well as 3 parallel treelines and a forested gulley to the west. They also attempted to attack Russian positions in the direction of Novooleksandrivka, but without any confirmed success.

To the southwest, Ukrainian forces completed their clearing operations in the southeastern part of Ternuvate, and brought in significant reinforcements to the area which were then used to cross the Haichur River and attack Russian positions in Nove Zaporizhzhya and Dobropillya. Some vehicles managed to reach Dobropillya, but it is unclear if they were able to gain a foothold. Attacks were also carried out further east in the direction of Zlahoda, while the Russians resumed their attacks on Ukrainian positions in northern Nove Zaporizhzhya.

Additionally, the Ukrainians completed their clearing operations in the village of Prydorozhnje, and captured positions in the railway windbreaks to the east. Mechanised attacks were also carried out from Vozdvyzhivka in the direction of Pryluky. Some soldiers managed to dismount at the northern outskirts of Pryluky, however it is unclear if they went on to seize a foothold in the village.

+ ~44.23 km² in favour of Ukraine.

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For those of us who don’t want to watch a video of this jagolope could you just provide a brief summary? Actually nevermind I’ll just put it in AI.

But Ukrainian victories in eastern Zapo may prove to be pyrrhic if coupled with continued Russian advances in Donetsk e.g.

No you can see it if you know what you’re looking at. There is consensus between the Rybar and ISW maps which isn’t always the case and when it happens I feel comfortable accepting as pretty close to accurate the areas where they agree. Now it may very well be the Ukrainians are rolling and the mappers haven’t caught up. I accept that as a possibility. But what is clear is that the two most respected mappers show a more modest Ukrainian counterattack at this time than what is being represented by the WarMonitor3 account.

Updated ISW map of the action in Ternuvate

Here is a Rybar map of the action in Ternuvate

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Dunkin hands down!

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Agreed. I mean they got Jennifer Aniston to say “how you like dem nuts”. Elite SB ad. I’d put it in the GOAT conversation if we’re being honest.

Oh shite this games over