King Joey

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I don't think it is necessary unreasonable that Wade retained his own attorney in response to an investigation of him by his employer

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He didn't. There was no investigation of him by his employer at that point. There was an investigation of his actions by the NCAA and, apparently (at that point), the FBI. LSU wanted to meet with him to figure out whether they needed an investigation (or a cover up, or a stonewalling, or whatever). He refused, and hired his own attorney. THAT is what prompted LSU to "investigate" him (and pretty quickly, fire him). That is entirely practical, since they had no way of knowing what dirt he could or would serve up to the NCAA to save his own skin since, again, he wouldn't communicate with them. If your employee is at the center of an investigation which could theoretically land him in jail for several years, and could also possibly nail you with millions of dollars worth of sanctions and/or penalties, then he ghosts you AND hires his own lawyer, the most obvious logical conclusion is that he is contemplating selling you out to save himself (or has already done it). It looks like that isn't what Wade actually did in this case, but how could LSU have possibly concluded that he wasn't going to do that when, again, he refused to even tell them that much? Not even a, "hey, don't do anything rash because I promise I'm not going to turn on you." He didn't even pretend to reassure them.

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That's probably not true. Throughout the history it has been shown "cooperating" with the NCAA generally doesn't work in your favor.

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I didn't say cooperate with the NCAA. I said cooperate with LSU. Had he communicated with LSU they could very well have worked out a response (or refusal to respond) with a consolidated front, stonewalling entirely if necessary, with some confidence that they wouldn't be left holding the bag. But since he refused to even communicate with LSU, they had zero opportunity to do that. They couldn't even tell the NCAA, "go frick yourself, nobody's talking to you," because Wade wasn't even there for LSU to tell him not to cooperate. And that complete refusal to even communicate with LSU, much less cooperate with them, is 100% on Wade. THAT is how he earned himself a summary sacking.

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Severe? LSU's sanctions were effectively nothing.

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Three years probation in addition to the loss of scholarships, plus the football stuff, but also the "show cause" would have affected LSU since Wade would still have been our coach. But, as has been pointed out by others, had there been a unified front of stonewalling (like at some other programs) the sanctions might well have been even less without our even having to self-sanction. But Wade made that impossible by refusing to communicate with LSU. It's impossible to stonewall when the main source on your side isn't cooperating with you.

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Tate and Woodward emphatically said no because they didn't trust Wade.

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Nor should they, or anyone else who contemplates employing him. In the single biggest professional crisis of his career (created entirely by his own foolishness), he refused to even communicate with the employers he endangered. No one with any common sense should ever consider trusting him. If NC State's contract with him doesn't have iron-clad, seven-digit plus penalty clauses for anything short of absolutely open-book cooperation, they are fools. The fact that people with influence got pissed about it is simply further proof that having money (and therefore influence) is not a sign of having common sense. Of course, the history of boosters in college sports -- and some owners in professional sports (*cough*DanSnyder*cough*) -- along with most celebrity news has offered plenty of proof of that already.

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I don't get the hate for Tulane,

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Old school in-state rivalry. From the inception of LSU sports, through the early pre-conference days, and the first few decades of SEC rivalry (until they left the conference), Tulane was our bitter in-state rival. Ole Miss was always our most bitter out-of-state rival. It wasn't until a few decades after Tulane left the SEC and fell back in competitiveness that Ole Miss started moving into the clear top position as our rival. For some of us older fans, though, that Tulane hate still burns pretty bright.

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This is literally my worst case "meteor game" scenario.

I simply cannot bring myself to actually hope for either of these teams to win. And it is deeply uncertain which one I want to lose more. I suspect come gametime (if I'm troubled enough to watch at all) my more recently inflamed Ole Miss hatred will triumph over the more distantly smoldering Tulane hatred, but I honestly can't tell yet.

Could it be more than a coincidence that 3i Atlas just happened to pick this season to appear in our solar system? :dunno:

GEAUX COMET!!!

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Sure Wilt could jump out of the roof… but he didn’t have “guard-type” moves and run the fast break like SHAQ.

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Wilt wasn't far off, if at all. The stunning part about him is that he had Shaq-like size and athleticism more than a decade before Shaq was born. Wilt would have been a star NBA Center in 2009, 50 years after he was drafted in 1959. A specimen like him in the NBA of 65 years ago was literally so unfair that they had to change the actual rules of the game. THAT is a GOAT.

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I think Saban and Meyer are the only two coaches in the last 30 years or so to leave a head coaching job to take another head coaching job at a different university and go on to win the Championship.

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Les Miles?

Mack Brown?

Bobby Bowden?

Steve Spurrier?

It's not all that common, but it's far from rare.

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If Kiffin can’t do it here after succeeding at Ole Miss

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Is what he did at Ole Miss going to be "doing it" here?

In 5 seasons (completed, 2020-2024):
Minimum 2-3 losses per year
Zero SEC Championship Game appearances
Zero SEC Championships
Zero CFP appearances
Multiple 5-loss seasons
1-2 record vs the "dumpster fire" LSU program left in CoachO's wake under "garbage" Brian Kelly's rebuilding efforts

This year is yet to be determined, but anything beyond about 10-2 and a trip to the Peach Bowl would be an anomaly for him. His performance in general is about what Kelly delivered before this season (other than Kelly going 9-3 and winning the West in his first "rebuilding" year compared to Kiffin going 5-5 in his first year; but that was the zombie-COVID year, so it's easy to discount that as the biggest anomaly ever).

I'm not predicting failure for Kiffin, and if we hire him I hope he does great. But reading the tea leaves, I believe he's going to have a contract AT LEAST as good (for him) as the one we gave Brian Kelly, whether it's at LSU, Ole Miss, Florida, or somewhere else. And I, personally, don't believe that contract is worth getting the kind of results he has delivered at Ole Miss (BK's results certainly weren't worth that kind of contract). IMO, to be worth that kind of contract, he would have to deliver MUCH better results than he has so far. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But I fail to see how anyone can conclude he is anything remotely approaching a "lock" to deliver something he never has before in almost a decade of Power conference football coaching.

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A guy in my law school section had some sort of connection to athletics. He talked the powers into letting the law students be a buffer zone between the younger students and the older paying fans. It was a blocked off section in a prime spot

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That was just your friendly SAAC doing their job. I was on there as an RHA rep when we did that. Crazy times.

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Pavia has been much, much better running the ball than Sellers has this year.

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That may be true, but also not relevant to his point. Sellers made a lot of plays against us by breaking tackles with his size and strength. That's not been Pavia's style (from what I've seen). He's a lot more Manziel-like with evasiveness and awareness. That presents different problems, but problems we may be better suited to handle. And even if he does much better than Sellers, that's not saying much; we contained him very well.

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68% zero-chance-and-it’s-even-worse-as-everyone-laughs-at-our-bonehead-turnovers-and-decisions

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Funny, I don't recall SC, Florida or Clemson laughing? That's 50% right there, and doesn't even count Tech and SLU.

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It doesn't matter where or how hard he seems to get hit, he gets up limping and it seemingly disappears by the time the ball is snapped for the next play.

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I have no idea if it's related, but I had a weird tendon (maybe ligament?) in my ankle that used to pop out of position all the time in high school. It would hurt like hell for a few seconds then pop back in and was fine. Usually never even swelled up, even if it happened multiple times in a game. Bodies do weird shite, especially when you strain them. Considering how much bigger/stronger/faster these guys are than ANY of us were in my day, I can only imagine it's even more so.

But it is kind of weird seeing him do that over and over. I wonder if it might be a psych out thing, so the other team won't be able to tell when he's ACTUALLY gimpy?

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