CatholicLSUDude

The ignorance of this board regarding Catholicism is astounding.

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Also, it seems you misunderstood me here.
I didn't misunderstand anything, that's a quote of what you said.

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You misunderstood me. Look at the next line of what I said:

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Are you saying they never signed a letter explicitly saying, "Rome has authority over me"? I suppose I'd grant that.

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There's no need for you to tell me they didn't sign such a letter and then insult me. I am very well aware they didn't do that. That was my point. They did, however, accept ecumenical councils from the first millennium that directly or indirectly lay out the primacy of Rome.

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I was making the point that if that's your standard for "entertaining Papal authority" then you will not find anything that rises to that standard.
Yes, I can. It's called the Great Schism and the Mutual Excommunications of 1054.

Again, it's not up for debate: Papal primacy has never — not in the first thousand years like you said, nor the thousand after — been accepted by the other majority Eastern churches and never will be

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Your response doesn't make sense.

I was arguing that you will find nothing that rises to the very high standard of a simple statement signed by the patriarchs plainly stating "Rome has authority over us." Citing the Great Schism does not meet an analogous standard for your side of the argument because the Great Schism took place centuries after the several ecumenical councils in which the primacy of Rome was asserted directly or indirectly. All eastern churches accepted these councils, and they still do. Therefore, they have "entertained Papal authority". You or Jay Dyer saying "it's not up for debate" does not make it so.

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Where, exactly, are you drawing the line on Papal authority?
Seriously? Youre asking me on when the other patriarchates drew the line on Papal authority? There was this thing called the Great Schism. Look it up.

Because they never recognized papal authority. Ever.
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Are you saying they never signed a letter explicitly saying, "Rome has authority over me"?


No, they didn't.

You are severely, severely confused on the difference between papal authority and primus inter pares. What you are stating is an outright lie, and undermines the Orthodox patriarchates to the degree where you ought to be ashamed, but since papal primacy is a cult like obsession for so many, I know you won't.

You've a lot of learning to do.

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I know more than enough to have this discussion with you. You didn't answer my question.

I understand what the Great Schism is. I know what first among equals means. But you said they never entertained Papal authority. My response was that they accept several first-millennium ecumenical councils in which Rome's primacy (not limited to ecumenical councils) was stated directly or indirectly. How does that square with your assertion that they never entertained Papal primacy?

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Either you're intentionally lying, or you are severely, severely misinformed.

There was a period of relative unity in the first century of Christianity, and the patriarchates recognized Rome as primus inter pares in the ecumenical councils, but the other patriarchates never accepted Papal primacy - which is what I asked about, not church unity. Again, you're either mixed up on what 1000 years of church unity meant regarding ecumenical councils and Apostolic succession vs. Papal primacy, you're misinformed, or your telling a lie.

Never was Papal primacy recognized by the Apostolic churches, and to say anything but is an outlandish misrepresentation of the truth, i.e., an outright lie.

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Well, I'm not lying, and I'm not misinformed. The Orthodox position you espouse is revisionist history that requires one to not take words written in several ecumenical councils to mean what they seem to mean.

Looked like the best pitcher of the night to me. lol. One WP cost him.

And the fact that our catcher looks a little distracted back there

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Quite the schedule here...

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lol. I had no idea their schedule was that bad.

C’mon, Vols. You could at least wait until you play a few teams with a pulse before you start pounding your chest.

What’s this in reference to?

I mean... it looks like he just threw a bunch of big-name coaches on his "list" and then articulated their haters' standard arguments against them.

Lame list.

You seem like you don't get out much.

Homeschooling today is not like homeschooling twenty or thirty years ago. Homeschooled kids now have coops, internet lectures, more choices in curriculum, sports teams, and a generally more social childhood experience than what I observed when I was younger. It's not just the weird people living on a farm sixty people from civilization anymore.

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Makes sense

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Don’t you mean. . .

Makes cents?