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He doesn't have anything on Trump. The sharp people have learned how to manipulate Trump through his need for praise.

All Bibi has to say to Trump is that if he takes the Iran regime down he will be worshipped in Iran and Israel for generations!


People say this regularly but it makes no sense.

Bibi gets Trump to do whatever he wants by stroking his ego, allegedly. If Trump was that easy to manipulate, then surely the last person in the room, JD Vance, could easily sway Trump to do what he wants instead of what Bibi wants.

If Trump is so easily manipulated, why is no one in the US using it to usurp his power? Why were democrats not able to get Trump to sign their bills if all it takes is telling him he will be remembered fondly?

Why were democrats seeking to impeach Trump if he is so easily controlled?

If you actually believe this, then explain why no one else can sway Trump like Bibi. Why is Bibi always the last one to stroke his ego and get his way, according to you?

Logic says Trump would never accomplish anything because he would be constantly flip-flopping to go to where the latest praise is from.

This is as dumb as saying that Trump just wings everything. If you actually think about what you are saying and what it implies, it is such an absurd argument.
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So, how is this not our business?


Some people are so obsessed with Israel that they can't see straight. They would rather the US not do something that benefits us if it also benefits Israel. All of their positions are completely based on their opinion of Israel, not the US. They are Israel-centric thinkers.

I know a guy like this in real life. When islamists commit terrorist attacks in the US, he blames the jews for "allowing it to happen."
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Give me a number of American casualties, injured and dead you are willing to accept for this mission?

3? 100? 1,000? 5,000?

As a bonus, throw in how much money makes it worth it?

Everyone has a number. Just tell us yours for the record.


You realize there is another side to this equation, right?

How many terrorists are killed?
How many innocents are protected?
How many US soldiers will not be targeted in the future?
How many Christians will not be killed by Iranian-backed terrorists?
How many future attacks on the US will not be carried out at the direction of Iran?
How long will the peace last?
What are the secondary effects of Iran no longer being the largest sponsor of worldwide terrorism?
What is the economic impact of a free Iran?

I'm results-oriented, so you answer all these questions, and then I'll tell you the acceptable amounts of death and spending for that outcome.

It's a dumb question because the answer depends on facts not yet available.

re: Massie Started a Poll

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus on 3/2/26 at 12:52 pm to
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So, 60% of those polled say to either end the war or debate before waging war. Only 40% stand with Trump, and that's supposed to be some kind of own?


Only 24% want congress involved. Massie, a congress member, put out this poll because he wants a say in how the commander in chief operates. The poll proves that people trust Trump more than Massie and his congress pals.

Yes, that is an own.

On a side note, how stupid is it to publicly debate an attack before it happens? People like Massie and his supporters are completely ignorant to reality.

"Hey guys, we're going to attack Iran, but first, let's tell them exactly what we are going to do. Let's tell them our objectives so they know how long they need to resist before we admit defeat. Let's throw away the element of surprise, because that never matters in combat."

You guys are so blind to the real world. I appreciate the child-like way you people view the world, it's endearing, but this is an adult conversation.

What you and Massie want reduces our chances of success and increases the likelihood of casualties. Massie is too naive to be in charge. That's why we voted for Trump to make these decisions, not Massie and the Whine Brigade.
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Sorry that I don't look into the future assuming every single thing will be a failure.


This truly is the mindset of the TDS conservatives. They base every decision on the worst possible case scenario, no matter how unlikely it is to happen.

As soon as strikes happen, they talk about ground troops and forever wars.

If you talk about changing congress, they immediately push back saying we shouldn't do anything because the democrats may regain power.

They are so paralyzed by fear that they can't take any action. Then they attempt to hide their fear by telling you that their inaction is really just them being principled.

Losers focus on the negative. Winners focus on the positive. Trump's detractors always focus on the negative.
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NATO does not obligate them to assist us in "totally not wars" where we are the aggressor


How are we the aggressor when Iran has been attacking us for decades?

Do you think this conflict started last week?
I can't imagine watching all of these videos and still being mad that Trump launched a few missiles at Iran.
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I cant deal with this place. I forget sometimes most of the board is full of sub 80 IQ southerners who go to evangelical mega churches.


People disagree with you, so you immediately attack their culture and religion. If you can't counter their argument, attack them personally.
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You don’t agree that those guilty in the Epstein files should be held accountable?


I don't agree that bombing Iran is meant as a distraction from the Epstein files, which is what Massie is talking about.

This attack has been planned for months, so the thought that they are doing it for a distraction is absurd.
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It is the job of our military to protect our security


So, your argument is that taking out the leaders of a country who have been attacking us for decades is not "protecting our security?"

I don't think anyone outside of the feminized Massie bros is going to buy that.

Trump has been consistent on Iran since 2011. It's not Trump's fault you haven't listened.
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How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?


An African or a European woodchuck?

re: Trump vs Bush

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus on 3/1/26 at 3:08 am to
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I don’t remember regime change in Iran, Venezuela and Cuba being discussed in the campaign. Trump will do whatever his Israeli masters tell him.


So Trump isn't allowed to do something as President unless he talked about it on the campaign trail? You guys make up the silliest rules that Trump must follow to avoid criticism.

Trump has been saying since at least 2011 that Iran was a problem and couldn't be allowed nukes. That is 15 years of consistency.

He has been remarkably consistent for decades. He never campaigned on being an isolationist.

Trump's positions have been publicly available for years. If you are feeling fooled, it's because you haven't been paying attention.
This is why I can't get on board with the isolationists. Iran captured our soldiers. They should have been destroyed for that alone. All these pansy conservatives asking what Iran has done to us. There it is. And they want America to overlook attacks on its people.

If this was early America, these people would have complained that Jefferson was refusing to pay tribute to muslim pirates. They would have complained that Jefferson did not seek approval of Congress before confronting the pirates turning our citizens into slaves. If these conservatives were in charge back then, they would have lived on their knees because of their anti-war "principles."

But our leaders back then decided to end the problem once and for all. Conservatives should learn from history. Being soft only encourages more attacks.

These conservatives think using our military might in any capacity should be against our principles. You can tell because they call every action a war to make it sound worse than it is. It's an emotional appeal that attempts to paint people who disagree with them as pro-war. But the reality is that most of us realize that sometimes military action is necessary to prevent greater losses. We don't like that reality, we just accept it.
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Iran is literally surrounded by U.S. military bases. Even if they were close to developing some kind of weapon, it would immediately be destroyed.


So you think the cat and mouse game of waiting for iran to get far enough just so we can bomb them and restart the process, all the while Iran funds global terrorism, is the way to go?

A continual problem is better than a permanent solution?
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Regime change in Venezuela, Iran, and Cuba


If regime change in Cuba happens, it will be without a shot due to economic collapse. Cuba will fall because they are no longer being propped up by external actors.

Are you really going to blame Trump for Cuba's own economic collapse?

Are you really going to pretend to care about a communist country falling without a single casualty?
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Coincidently, all of them (except for Vatican City) get painted as bad actors constantly.


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They are Russia, Iran. Cuba, Sudan, Bolivia, China, Syria


Which of these countries would you consider good actors?

I'll give you Russia.

Russia, islamists, communists, complete shithole, never hear of Bolivia so not sure why it's here, communists, islamists

Any of those countries we should promote?
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What?! We had the hottest economy in the world. Trump’s best month of job growth last year was less than Bidens worst.


This doesn't tell the whole story. All of Biden’s job growth was government positions and jobs going to foreigners.

The job growth for Americans under Trump has been great. The overall numbers don't look good because replacing an illegal with an American doesn't show in the numbers.

Many of the jobs that were lost were in tech due to AI. This would happen regardless of the economic situation. When you look at the whole picture, you see that Trump’s effect on the economy has been good.
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It was the plan.

Let them in to change the country culturally, to vote and to fuel the outrage when the media and the Dems scream racism and due process…


Democrats broke all the rules and norms to permanently change the country. I don't think Republicans demanding we follow the rules and norms is going to be an effective counter strategy for saving it. We're going to need some "extreme" actions.
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Executive orders are what every intelligent president understood they were for decades before trump:

A bullshite avenue to get your way, and legal jeopardy when proven wrong


No president has been lawfared with everything he does, either. No president has had activist judges issuing hundreds of nationwide injunctions. No president has had the commonly accepted functions of the Chief Executive challenged at every turn.

You are basically asking for Trump to do nothing and just let the deep state ruin the agenda the American people voted for.

Conservatives stuck on how things should be need to open their eyes to how things are. Why is the "principled" move always to do nothing with you guys?

Congress can't even get voter ID which 80% of the country supports passed, but you want to attack Trump for using executive orders. You guys are so willing to lose as long as it's done "the right way."

And Trump has the constitutional authority to issue EOs, so your argument isn't even that. People will claim it's because they aren't permanent, but waiting for congress to do its job produces the same result. So, it's just that you don't like it, because "that's not how it's done." Well, these are unprecedented times. Sometimes, you just have to do what is necessary.

The thing that gets me is how so many conservatives are willing to dump on one of the few people trying to make a positive change just because he is using unconventional methods. It's like you guys are looking for a reason to keep the status quo.
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But ordering pizza when you have a group of people is very common.


It's not common for rich people to drink grape soda or to specify 'grape' soda when talking about a "pizza party."
What happened to the millions of people who lost their jobs due to electricity, automation, and computers?

Why are we expecting the market to not adjust this time?

Do the people who are happy others are losing their jobs to AI not realize that their manual labor jobs being taken by robots is just around the corner?