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re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/23/17 at 8:54 am to
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Maybe. Put as the picture you posted shows, Ryan Anderson was in his face when he threw the ball. Gallman wasn't blocking shite. If he had no one to throw to he probably tosses it away due to Anderson being in front of him.


Were some of you born without common sense? The ball in that shot is already in Renfrow's hands...by then, Gallman let off the block. You can see he is right there, and he was Clemson's better pass blocker, btw...the fact you can still see his hand on Anderson and Anderson isn't past him shows he was initially in his face and blocked when the ball was thrown, Watson is already running forward celebrating in it too.

But since you think he wasn't there blocking, then I guess he should be past Gallman in that shot, right...and Gallman was never in front of him as the ball is being thrown?

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re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 11:48 am to
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Nah.

I complained that Saban didn't tell the CBs to tackle the WRs as soon as the ball was snapped.


lol...you realize that's exactly why it became legal, right? Because they did try exactly that. Why do you think they called to run a pick play? That was the plan, and Jeff Scott knew it. Welcome to being out-coached at the end. Or did you miss your DB wrapping up Artavis Scott and throwing him to the ground? It just caused a separation of Renfrow when he cut back and didn't come straight inward to your guy with his route...oops.



You realize, if they all just straight up tackled all at the snap (no allowing routes to partially run), Watson would have had the room to run it in, right?

Who was out there to stop him? BTW, Gallman had #22 blocked...#2 and Renfrow would have been on the ground backward....open corner.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 11:34 am to
:rotflmao:

So your debate is what was called, not whether there was an actual illegal play that would have benefited FSU? Gotcha. They called an illegal block play...only thing in debate is "below the waist" or "in the back". No ref can easily tell that in action when the body is near mid-section and a guy gets clipped off his feet and tripped up. That's what triggered the flag.

You must be one of those guys that complains about the legal pick plays while knowing Alabama used one to beat LSU in 2014, and you had no problem with it then. Funny how that works.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 11:12 am to
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You do know initial contact is all that matters as long as a hold doesn't occur, right?


yes which is his shoulder that is behind the player...so...like I said..

Is it block below the waist or illegal block in the back? pick your poison....still an illegal play.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 11:08 am to


^_^ Did I seriously have to post that twice because you are that blind?? You know he's discussing how the play finished, right, not the initial contact?

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 11:00 am to
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No. He doesn't. Watch the play in motion. He doesn't even tough his legs.


re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:45 am to
^ see my post above...it matters...

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:44 am to
no, first contact is here, with the shoulder:
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Even the article says it was "in his thigh", which is considered below the waist...but hey, let's just take these shots....is the shoulder hitting from behind? Because position up or down just determines block below the waist and block above the waist, both illegal if not hit from the front between 10:00 and 2:00....care to argue?? Either way, an illegal play, even if the call is said wrong.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:35 am to
His shoulder hits the player first on the thigh...check your article, it says that.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:34 am to
His helmet is against his arm on the side (or do you miss seeing the arm crunched inward?)...clear as day, 2 pics worth. But the first contact is his shoulder on his side thigh. Contact can only be made from the front....there is no part of his body in front of the player.

Sorry if you are finding out now what we already knew.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:27 am to
And side shoulder is 2:00?? Guess we need to teach you clocks.

Side is 3:00...2:00 means the contact has to come from the front corner, not from behind against the 3:00 position on the side. ^_^

Thanks for proving my point.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:23 am to
Other angles:

If this looks between 10:00 and 2:00 position to you, get your eyes checked..and note, look above...that explanation was from the article you posted...that is its exact words:





:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:21 am to
Might want to read the article there....it says it isn't a chop block...and that wasn't the call anyways.

The call was a block below the waist...which it is.

From the article YOU posted:
"This was a block below the waist, though. And blocks below the waist can be legal. The relevant definition of an illegal block below the waist is found in the NCAA rulebook. Basically, below-the-waist blocks are illegal downfield, but only if they come from the back or the side:

All players after the ball has left the tackle box, are allowed to block below the waist only if the force of the initial contact is directed from the front. “From the front” is understood to mean within the clock-face region between “10 o’clock and 2 o’clock” forward of the player being blocked.

Take a look at the play again. It looks borderline, but Stevenson appears to have led from the front with this block initially, striking safety Van Smith in the right thigh, while also getting a little tangled up with him on the way down"

Pssttttt...right side thigh is not 2:00
not chop block, block below the waist...has to be lead from the 10:00 or 2:00 position...and that camera angle at best shows them side by side, but when the contact is initiated, it hits him in the back of the leg or the side of his waist (sure isn't in front of him between 10:00 and 2:00)...so no more front than 3:00.

Even that link's article says it is debatable and could be a correct call...lol.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 10:03 am to
You can mention that one all you want...it's debatable whether that was a block in the back/block below the waist, and it does fit the rule.

Either way, did it negate a TD, or just a run (it wasn't late in the game btw, top of 4th quarter)?? There's still no guarantee FSU would have had any TD and not just a FG...no one knows that. But...Did FL State have another chance to win? Dalvin Cook, running wide open for a long pass play, drops the ball, on 3rd down...4th quarter....ring a bell?? They had a ton of time to make that one controversial call up. Clemson on 3 legitimate third down stops that drove Pitt down to the goal line twice with the multiple 15 yard penalties (2 of those in one series, keeping 2 drives alive when they should have been dead)...yeak, ok.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 9:46 am to
yeah, we'll see how "shitty" that defense is...
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Just dont forget in the optimism, Clemson also slept walked through a good bit of the season offensively. Auburn was 1st game...but that showed with your QB issues, Clemson could throw out a subpar game, with subpar QB play, and still win it (or do you think you faced the same focused Watson that Bama did?). The sleepwalk is evident with NC State and Pitt. Check how they looked after Pitt woke them up.

You can think I'm BSing, but I'm realistic to remember that certain generational talent having 14-15+ interceptions on his resume the last 2 years, was a big factor to why he didn't get the Heisman votes. So forgive me if I notice there was a ton of room for improvement that seems to be missed, and that a serviceable QB with less turnovers could end up with similar results. Guess we will see in 2-1/2 weeks.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 8:15 am to
Glad all you do is live in the past.

Dabo was 1-1 vs Bobby Bowden before he retired...and is 3-4 with Fisher currently (FSU's last win went to OT, btw, due to an "unknown QB" Deshaun Watson walking in at the 2nd quarter...so those numbers almost could have been flopped. Again, the 90's dominance when the conference was weak and Clemson had one of the worst coaches since prior to the 80's (Tommy West, who had a .525 winning percentage) has no baring on current day.

But you guys enjoy your 90's trip back in history, when hardly none of the current coaches were coaching. Makes total sense to explain the coming up season.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 7:18 am to
Lmao, who has the most ACC Titles? Might want to check again, bub. Clemson has the most right now...and this isn't the 90's anymore.

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Go to championships by school. Glad they had a run in the 90s when Dabo nor Fisher coached, it's been more competitive recently. Just like ACC vs SEC has too. But I can understand you wanting to cling to that past a bit longer.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 7:02 am to
^ and another lack of knowledge person.

Here let me help.

Only 2 teams in the NCAA have had 6+ consecutive years of 10+ win seasons. Alabama...and CLEMSON. Not Auburn, not LSU, not OH State, not TN or FL. Clemson.

Only 1 coach in the NCAA has ended the last 6 years higher ranked than where he started the season...Dabo.

AU has lost the last 3 against Clemson, almost lost the 2010 game too. LSU did not lose to Watson, he wasn't QBing Clemson yet, Tajh Boyd was...and they also lost while Sammy Watkins was knocked out of the game first play. Clemson also beat OH State and Oklahoma without Watson being behind the helm...Boyd played OH State the first time, and Stoudt played OU the first meeting.

Try again.

re: Let's talk Auburn-Clemson

Posted by CUTigers78 on 8/22/17 at 6:36 am to
Yes, let's talk. Clemson has an unknown at QB, but loaded at the position. AU has a QB that's never played in the SEC so is also unknown in AU's scheme, so hasn't proven yet he's "better" to everyone but AU fans. Clemson's most loaded and deepest position is WR...and has just announced that their new freshman RB was so good in fall alone, he won't be redshirting. Clemson's defense is slotted to be better than last year. AU isn't playing at home this year. Everything else is completely unknown until the first snaps of the season...so enjoy that "cut and dry" the next few weeks. Let's see if you still think that at half time.