Ms Rev

Faulk is the first to physically escalate with a punch with all evidence presented

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•Craig runs to LSU side to run his mouth after the game



congrats.. The 1st thing you do is provide evidence that contradicts your conclusion..

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Craig ran mouth but did not hit anyone. Faulk is the first to escalate to physical violence with punch

I have seen a lot of evidence out there regarding this fight. I wasn’t going to post this, as I thought it had all died down, but it appears logic needs to be brought to the table so hopefully all false narratives can stop. I will present evidence to support the following logic.

•Craig runs to LSU side to run his mouth after the game
•Red shirt guy holds back/prevents Craig from making any contact to de-escalate the situation
•Red shirt guy succeeds and both Craig and red shirt guy turn around to go away
•Kragthorpe literally runs up right behind red shirt guy to run his mouth after he had just become successful in complete de-escalation of Craig (It is clear red shirt guy thought Craig was still be behind him when he pushed Kragthorpe away with his open hand, but red shirt guy truly was successful in de-escalating Craig so Craig wasn’t aware of anything going on with red shirt guy at this point)
•Red shirt guy turns around and pushes Kragthorpe away to prevent any escalation to turn physical given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation
•Faulk comes over and is the first person to become physical in a negative manner by punching red shirt guy to escalate vs. de-escalate (correct order of photos proves such) as do videos
•Red shirt guy then hits back in defense given prior evidence of intent of de-escalation
•John Battle comes in to take a hit on red shirt guy too.
•Finally all people present are successful in separating individuals in altercation to finally de-escalate permanently (Notice others had to put hands on people to de-escalate the same way red shirt guy thought he was doing with pushing Kragthorpe back with his open hand….same intent of de-escalation)

In an effort to present the facts, and to clear up any confusion, we need to get these photos put out to the press in the right logical order. Let’s begin:

First, it is hard to put these photos in order when the photos are taken by at least two, possibly three, photographers by the photo's angles. We know, however, that John Battle arrives later in the scuffle ( Battle Punch). By looking at people placement, where hands of people are in relation of photos to logically stop the fight, and velocity of Faulk's punch and pull of Faulk's own sweatshirt by red shirt guy from being hit, the photos are in their correct order below.

Why is the Advocate still presenting the photo evidence in the wrong order which misleads uneducated viewers to the facts?

Advocate

Why is Kragthorpe presenting his role in the events in an incorrect version to the point it becomes a lie? "I didn't appreciate getting punched in my pacemaker," Kragthorpe. Red shirt guy uses open hand-not a punch in effort to prevent altercation between Kragthorpe and Craig. (I could list more video evidence disputing Kragthorpe's version of events but won't due to time.)

Tiger Rant Post-Linking Daily Advertiser Article Kragthorpe Testimony

Video of Kragthorpe & Red Shirt Guy open hand

Kragthopre running up to red shirt guy from behind

I have ideas/opinions/thoughts on why photo, video, and personnel accounts of the evidence is being presented in such a biased way from LSU's side, but it would be irresponsible to share speculation without fact. One thing that can be determined, without any speculation with the evidence presented, is that Faulk is the first one who became physical in a negative manner of escalation vs. de-escalation in the events occurring after Texas A&M won the game. All other activity prior with red shirt guy was to try to prevent anything negatively physical from happening (including open hand interaction with Kragthorpe). Once Faulk hit red shirt guy with his punch, red shirt guy was in defense/protection mode.













*edited to add the video I stated I would add to show Kragthorpe running up to red shirt guy from behind

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When he apologizes for suggesting that I did it to deliberately mislead. I do not mind constructive criticism. But I am not going to be called a liar by anyone.

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I honestly do not think he was calling you a liar, but his choice of words regarding an emotional event from both fan bases, could easily feel that way. I understand.

With regards to accurately presenting the facts, the photos should be placed in order, for accurate interpretation.

Let's use logic in deciphering the order of these photos shall we...

First, it is hard to put these photos in "order" when the photos are taken by at least two, possibly three, photographers by the photo's angles. The one that is listed first is definitely not first as John Battle arrives later in the scuffle. My estimated guess on order, by looking at people placement, where hands of people are in relation of photos to logically stop the fight, and velocity of Faulk's punch and pull of Faulk's own sweatshirt by red shirt guy from being hit puts it in order of:

3
2 (red shirt guy falling backwards from hit landing on his face)
1
4
5
6

If someone takes the time to put these photos you presented in order, Faulk is the first one who threw a punch.

i sometimes think that when lsu decided they weren't going to overpay herman, they knew herman would try to come steal his old college roommate in aranda for dc. given the coaching turmoil in br this year, they knew out of anyone on staff they did not want to lose, it would be aranda. therefore it made sense to keep coach o, at a lower price tag, to leave enough funds to give aranda a hefty raise to stay.

thank you :bow:

i just spent several minutes sharing how special this team means to me, and then i get that response from fellow aggies?

so i just post my thoughts on the rant re: aggie and get told that it is the wrong forum? (which hasn't happened yet because i am trying to wait to discuss everything in the right forum.) why can't i just be added and then if i "act up", which won't happen because i am an aggie that bleeds maroon, be removed from the team forum at that time? i am not shooting the messenger, in fact i'm appreciative of the response, but the logic in excluding me makes no sense whatsoever.

agreed. honestly a&m needs to make a change this year too-not next. seriously. if someone was smart, they'd do it now. we won't be any different next year as we have been the past under sumlin. sumlin is not our guy. why put off the inevitable. we might as well make the change at the same time our biggest recruiting competition is making changes too. now that we know who lsu and texas has hired, we have an opportunity to make a really great hire and come out even better in the long run.