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Encroaching on the state domain of their elections outside of regulations imposed via the slave amendments.
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You don’t want the feds fixing the problem

I don't think it's their jurisdiction or Constitutional role, is the accurate description.

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so the 3rd option is just accepting it.

Not a logical conclusion.

We have a system and there are rules to that system.

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There is a clear difference between far left woke nonsense and normal common sense, and the direction they each take us.

The negative effects of far left woke nonsense makes that choice a clear loss.

It’s a win if common sense wins out.

If you can't understand the problem with this framing, I don't think I can help
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They were trying to foment activism among the rank and file and you know it. That is conduct unbecoming of an officer.


If the behavior is all lawful, how is it ?
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$1Trillion in tax losses to fraud annually


How, exactly?

Isn't that more than the entire non-military discretionary budget annually?

What is the breakdown?
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JFC - is it okay if some of us normal adults consider a 16 or 17 yo girl a child, particularly in the sense of sex involving someone substantially older?


Do you honestly think OP is referencing a 17 year old or an actual child?

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What do we think the email is about?

Locker room sex talk and making fun of Christians
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So they needed

You're pivoting

We're talking about criminal prosecution, not the supposed need to make the video

And the video is clearly making a political point and the military aspect was tangential at best to that political point. This isn't a discussion about need.
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And an illegal order is what?

One that violates the law

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go ahead and clarify what they meant by telling the military it was okay to take a stand and disobey an illegal order.

It's pretty clear. You don't understand that they shouldn't follow illegal orders?

I don't know how to make it more simple.
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You are employing principled irrationality.


Only within a dishonest framing you're trying to force.

In reality, it's nothing of the sort.
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States don't have the right to commit federal election fraud.

Nobody said they did

I said that illegals voting in elections was already illegal, however.
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This post implies you also accept liberal fraud and cheating in elections because muh principles.

No. It does not

Dishonesty is your currency, though.

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We already knew you accept failure in the culture war.

Again, your framing is dishonest. The "culture war" is a vacillating thing and not a binary win/loss scenario.

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Whut is lawfur!?!


Not the attempt at this prosecution, apparently.
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ust the observation that everyone saw.


You made up what you want to see via feelings and ignored reality to do so.

Now you're upset that your feelings weren't validated
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So do the SFP thing and obfuscate


The funny part is that's what you're doing in order to get around the fact that they said only to not follow illegal orders.

One day you'll realize this
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When in reality it was probably a mix of 18-25 year old Russian girls and 16 year of Giuffre types which is how Trump (and many, others, and mostly others, mind you) were able to reconcile continuing the relationship with Epstein for so long.

Truth is that I remain fully open to the idea that Epstein and others in his orbit are much worse than "just" grooming HS aged girls to exploit, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that's a reality.


Yup

It just so happens that a lot of the, as you put it spirit cooking type, people are just rehashing old satanic Panic stuff that I've been debunking on here for 20 years or so. They just don't comprehend that because their frame of reference of this probably starts in 2019 at the earliest, and I don't think that they can even conceptualize what they're a part of and they clearly have no concept of history about this stuff

*ETA: and this is a crowd who probably doesn't even recognize the term Hermetic and, if they do, probably associates it with Crowley as the originator
The absolute weirdest part about this is that I have noticed that there is one Yuge exception to the interpretation stuff, and that's Trump.

Now I don't think Trump did anything illegal. He may, AT WORST, have banged some legal girls around JE and that would be on brand and fully legal. Full disclaimer so that people don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm 100% NOT implicating Trump in any illegality.

But we are 100% not allowed to do the interpretation stuff with anything that could be interpreted to apply to Trump. With Trump we have to have 100% rock solid, clear, direct, and credible evidence to implicate him. Anyone else? Jews making fun of Christians is a sign of murdering children, clearly.
Didn't Ben kind of/sort of admit this prior to his big public conversion to Christianity?
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There's obviously a huge difference. And it's not a difference that is pleasant to "ACKSHULLY" about. I'm not convinced Epstein's predilections didn't cross over into that territory - I seem to recall seeing some evidence at some point indicating that some of the girls were younger than I'd thought - but I haven't seen anything other than the gross-sounding cryptic insinuations in the files to support it.


The most dishonest thing is that by being honest and simply saying "there is no evidence right now to conclude x" it's spun into either:

1. OMG YOUR' DEFENDING CHILD RAPISTS AND MURDERERS

or

2. OMG YOU'RE SAYING THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN (or, even more silly, that it never happens anywhere with anyone).

Because they're doing the gross emotional thing where they project the worst for any questioning of the narrative, which is the height of irony for the "doing your own research" and/or "thinking for yourself" crowd.
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With your logic, it should be illegal for the federal government to make it illegal for illegals to vote.

That's already baked into the Constitution itself.

I have said ITT there is no philosophical opposition/hypocrisy by engaging in the policy goal of the SAVE Act as a Constitutional Amendment.

So, in that respect, they would be perfectly aligned in terms of political philosophy.

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You think it's constitutional for the federal government to have voting requirements but unconstitutional to verify those requirements. That's terrible logic.


You are conflating the Constitution (and its amendments) with legislation.
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No clue how the law would handle this.


This isn't unprecedented. If you want a good parallel look at cults.

NXIVM has a bunch of victims who got prosecuted, for example