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doubt there is "various" rebel groups in Iran


Then why did you say "right" in response to this

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it's even more factional, complex, and powerful


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doubt its to arm a rebel group and let them take over

I don't think this was what he is worried about

He's worried about various rebel groups opposing something like this

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find a General to control the Army and find a leader with Reza assisiting
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Human frailty is still human frailty

Exactly why it fits perfectly as a parable
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But what I usually encounter from atheist is they are so proud and don’t want to acknowledge God because then they have to change their way of life.

What? What part of their life?

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There’s a hubris deep down that wants to have no accountability for the life they live or their actions

What?
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If you're bothered by her character, that's your problem


He's a social justice warrior.

Not shocking to watch him get owned yet again after he virtue signals
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For such a small percentage, they certainly punch above their weight class.


High IQs have big impacts
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but the way the question is framed the answer is no… but to harken back to the atheists point that question would have to be framed sans the miracles and only the message and messenger considered… under that framework the answer is yes its possible

Or the stories are parables written after the fact for consumption by potential converts

Which isn't nefarious
Persians in Iran have been Shia for over 500 years
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The founders definitions of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a pretty good starting point.

We have shown this is an incorrect, man-made list of rights they didn't believe in fully, and doesn't reflect what deities have declared to be these god-given rights

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Think of all the laws that are derived with the commerce clause as the starting point. Isn't the commerce clause the basis of the argument in support of gay marriage?

For all of the thousands of examples of government power that the CC authorizes, you picked one outside of it :lol:

The 14th Amendment is the primray defense of gay marriage. I'd start by reading Griswold and Loving to get a primer.
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I’m sure it creeped into their minds

Are they retarded?
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Who are these "they" you are referencing that have been there for 1000s of years?

Only the Persians fit that description - a half century ago, the islamists came in an overthrew their leadership

Holy fricking shite :lol:

Persians in Iran have been Islamic for almost 1000 years.
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Would you though?

Yes

That was only one miracle, too.

Feeding thousands with a couple loaves of bread and a couple fish would probably have sold it to me even stronger.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life

Unless you're a slave

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Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Unless you're a slave, woman, if you don't own property, etc.
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The founders were not in agreement on the issue of slavery, but slavery was legal in all of the colonies. If slavery had not existed do you think the rights enumerated would have been different?


Slavery is only one example, and I used it specifically for his example ("the right to life").

Women were also denied rights

Men who didn't own property were denied rights

If these rights are from a god, you'd expect more universality.

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Communists approach their system from the aspect that the state is all powerful and there is no God. The state decides the rights of the individual.

But if rights are from a god, this is irrelevant, as you said:

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It doesn't matter that one person temporarily denies another person the free exercise of their rights, the person still retains their rights, since rights are God given.


Communist states can't take anything away and these people still retain their rights, since they are God given.

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God is perfect and immutable and man, like the slave owning founder writing about inalienable rights is not.


If we just say "god crates rights", but man cannot be trusted to describe rights, we can skip the first question and get to these 2

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Who/what defines what a right is?

What is the comprehensive list of rights?


The list of god-given rights may end up being incredibly short, for all we konw.
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can you right now say you believe in some so much you would die or risk prison for it???


If I saw a god on Earth raise a man from the dead? Uh, yeah.

Silly question.

re: Iran will never surrender

Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/29/26 at 10:51 am to
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Learn to code.

Code the electronics on suicide vests and IEDs, perhaps.
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When you post the comprehensive list of mathematical formulas used to derive everything



So we don't even have a concept of what all rights are or will be? Noted.

That certainly complicates things.

You can't define them, list them, and argue we are on a journey to figure them out without any end in sight.

That sounds like a rational, functional system to me :lol:

re: Iran will never surrender

Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/29/26 at 10:45 am to
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Only certain leaders do.

And the millions who fanatically support the regime do, what, exactly?
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An individuals rights end where another person's begins. It doesn't matter that one person temporarily denies another person the free exercise of their rights, the person still retains their rights, since rights are God given.


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There are better questions

What is a right?


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This is why communist states promote atheism. If the state is the ultimate power then they gove rights and can also take them away.

But in your scenario, the state didn't take anything away :confused:

re: Iran will never surrender

Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/29/26 at 10:31 am to
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no son i've got you pegged,


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are you still gay pretending to live in portland?


Clearly you don't

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i'd been married for 16 years, my son was making his first communion and my daughter was two, i was a stock broker for AG edwards and sons making 900k a year. we lived in a 1.1mm dollar house 4 blocks from the little rock country club.

now you do you and i'll hang up and listen.