Baron

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Sorry... Jose is not part of the future. The vision is clear. Fears is the future.

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I understand that, and again I’m not trying to start the same argument that’s been going on all summer, but this is what is so incredibly frustrating about not having our pick this year.

Is our number 1 goal this year to win or is it to develop for the future?

Wasn’t sure if I missed it, but is there a reason why Jose didn’t play opening night?

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Think Willie just draws a hangman puzzle on his whiteboard

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We could also give him like a (4) yr 90mil deal and do it 13-21-26-30.

Just load the back end, which that still wouldn't be a bad contract honestly.

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Per year raises/declines are capped between 5-8%. Since he’s a sign and trade, he’d be capped at 8%. To give him 4/90, the lowest we could start him out at would be around $19.8m.

The other issue is the way the new cap rules work is that GSW can only take back about half of whatever Kuminga’s starting salary in contracts. In a way that helps us as it lowers the potential other suitors, but also limits our options of getting him and still avoiding the tax (ie we can’t Trade Murray for Kuminga). Even though I don’t think we should trade him, it is a big reason why Herb’s contract fits so well with a Kuminga trade.

Technically the Poole/CJ trade doesn’t become official until July 6th. Nothing is obvious, but it could potentially give us a couple more cap options expanding that we aren’t discussing

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the Zion Stans here

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I’m not sure these exist anymore, and if so they’re an endangered species.

I said this in another thread, and I’m not trying to dump on Ingram, but he shares some blame in this too. Since 2022-2023 season, Ingram has only played in 13 more games than Zion. By the time he comes back from his current injury it will probably be single digits.

Griff needs to take some heat here too though. I haven’t seen anyone mention it but a real contributing factor for why we are in this mess is because of the extension he gave to CJ. It was absolutely unnecessary to do it at the time he did and for the price. People were beating the drum at the time that this is going to really hamper our cap flexibility in the future and it has predictably lead to multiple sunk-cost moves. Think of all the things we’ve done (or couldn’t do) the last two years because of the cap/tax crunch. It really was just such an obvious and avoidable misstep

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agreed. Without him we’re a bottom 3 team in the league, with him we’re a bottom 15 team

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:lol:

Touché, we could be 14-37 if he had been healthy all season

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Had heard a lot about how many contenders had some interest in Brown. Not sure if that was true, but if so, would think it would have been easy to unload him for a 2nd with another expiring.

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The problem is that we don’t want to take back anything with a future salary commitment or puts us back into the tax, and contenders don’t have the matching salary or the expirings to fit with Brown’s salary. The trade partner just doesn’t exist.

What is more surprising is that we haven’t moved Green since there were some rumblings of interest and nearly every team can make his salary work

I’m not defending Griffin, just want the timeline to be clear. We traded for Murray when we did because we had to get him before the start of the new league year otherwise his contract wouldn’t fit with the raise he was about to get.

Griffin gambled moving early in the offseason when getting Murray and thinking he could figure it out later, which never materialized. Obviously going into the season with Theis/Missi rotation at the 5 was probably plan F, but I’m curious what plans A - E looked like and how realistic they were. Griffin has shown in the past to have unrealistic offseason plans (i.e. signing Kyle Lowry)

Still, even if he is merely a victim of bad luck, this has become a common theme of the Griffin era: accumulate talent regardless of fit and figure it out later. We have had one of the most baffling roster constructions for the last 4 years in a row. Even worse, he does this knowing we dont have close to the level of coaching ingenuity needed to make it work.

In the end, I don’t think Griffin is a terrible GM, he’s made some good moves too and the injury problems aren’t entirely his fault, but this franchise has so many issues that we can’t get by with a GM/President who is merely passable. Coming in and fumbling this rebuild by trying to needlessly speed it up (after watching the guy before him do the exact same thing) is inexcusable. With how this year has gone, seeing other franchises start off their rebuilds after us but pass us up, it is clearly time to move on from Griffin

Woof, I think I hate that for everyone. I’m trying to figure out who wins that trade and I think I’ve settled on the unknown facilitator receiving unknown/unwanted salary + unknown draft capital.

Then again, this is probably the best the Heat can hope for at this point

CJ going to carry us to two in a row