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They would have been fine with a trade to NY, Milwaukee, and a few other places. Legitimately, as I can tell you they were talking to some other teams trying to convince them to offer big packages to get him out. So, how does that fit with your "Doing it for Lebron" theory? Rich Paul was on the phone with the Clippers and Knicks A LOT, getting them to call Dell. And Knicks offered some monster packages.

I mean no offense by this, but you guys simply don't know what you are talking about. You grabbed on to some narratives that made sense to you, but I can tell you for a fact they just aren't true.

But I am probably a fraud who doesn't know the behind the scenes stuff and your theories are better, so I will shut up

And what do you know about them other than the takes you have heard from witty Twitter people?

I know, for instance, Griffin really respects Rich Paul. Not just when he speaks in public, but behind the scenes. I know Rich Paul has done some things for clients that has actually gone against what is best for Lebron. So, he doesn't just do everything with Lebron in mind.

I just don't see how you guys all acknowledge how much better the franchise is now, yet can't seem to wrap your head around how bad AD should've wanted out, no matter what it took. You must be blocked by emotion because there is no logical connection you can make between those points

I don't get the connection between your first paragraph and 2nd

Basically, in your first you acknowledge how bad the organization used to be and how great it is now. And then in the second, paint Klutch as this villain with no logic

They wanted to get him out of here BECAUSE the organization was crap. Which you guys all now realize after seeing what it could be with an owner who actually focuses on it.

Nothing Klutch did was wrong IMO if their goal is to get their client away from a crappy franchise while he is in their prime. And it was a crappy franchise.

I don't get how people don't see this clearly yet. They know all the pieces but don't connect them properly. I am guessing it is because emotion is involved

It's Gayle.

Every POBO in the world would want an amazing staff. Gayle realized after she calmed down from The Jump dunking on us that it is necessary. I give her all the credit for looking in the mirror and saying, "Why aren't we giving this franchise the attention and resources we give the Saints?"

And she changed. Just in time

It is a lot like the D Rob situation and the LeBron leaving Cleveland first time situation.

Without either of those things happening, which bummed the fan base out a lot at the time, a title would have never been possible

39.6% career from 3

13.6 points per 36 minutes

I like it :lol:

I honestly couldn't care less about swaying you guys. I am here to provide insight and balance to the conversation. I don't expect 98% of people to be open minded enough to live in the gray. But for those that are, I give them some more nuanced things to consider.

I think AD can make decisions for himself. But if all the people in your life, including the most important ones, tell you that you need to get out of something, it is hard not to listen.

But I keep coming back to Rich Paul, AD, and his inner circle being soured on Demps and the Pels ownerships buy in version from December. If Gayle was this focused on the franchise then and Griffin was in place, I don't think the mess would have happened.

I don't believe AD and Rich Paul are these evil geniuses and schemers who do everything at Lebron's whim. I think Rich Paul saw an all time great player being wasted by a franchise that had a terrible foundation and was 3rd priority towards the ownership. AD's inner circle saw this too. They met in September and laid out all the options - one of which being, 'If this shite don't change soon, I will get your son out of there"

Now, the way it was handled wasn't ideal but I get it from their perspective. As I have been telling you guys for years, the franchise was a joke. It isn't any more, so I am good with a clean slate for both sides if he is too

In the last 35 years, only two franchises have gotten the #1 pick a won a title with that guy.

And in both situations, they had another #1 pick who was taken years before and was in his prime, but some weird shite happened

Spurs - Robinson and Duncan
Cavs - LBJ and Kyrie

You need a lot of top tier talent and a lot of luck to win it all in this league. Pels situation, in some ways, mirror both of these historical precedents. Might be foolish to trade AD if the end goal is a ring. #1 picks don't seem to win it all with the team that drafted them otherwise. The last one before that who did was Hakeem, who was taken first in the pre-lotto era.

You guys need to drastically adjust your expectations for what some of these FA's will get. Bogan will get closer to 25 than 15