WhySoSerious

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we should stick with the known failure.

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That we hired (mistake) for the remainder of his contract (2 years) while giving him a better chance to win (budget increase). Has little to do with his coaching ability more about money management & risk analysis.

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Hopefully not.

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Okay. Do you have a list of realistic candidates?

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The easier path are retreads who are ready to bounce back.

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I’m more skeptical about the mid major guys that don’t have P5 experience. Their style & or success may not translate well. Retreads are fine if they have a record like

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Pearl, Barnes and Beard in the SEC, Sampson at Houston, and Pitino at St John’s

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Rich Pitino was awful at Minnesota. He strikes me as someone who probably belongs where he is.

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Unfortunately, a lot of luck is involved in getting the right guy at the right time. Wade is really the only one of note currently on the market this season and he’s obviously not coming back here.

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Next year there will be new candidates. I’m more interested in assistant coaches. Young ones. NBA & college. The college asst coaches at blue bloods are usually ace recruiters. Would improve talent immediately. And if they’ve been learning from Bill Self or Mark Few or Dan Hurley for 3 or 4 years he could probably draw up a better gameplan then some of the shite we’ve seen the last few years.

Has anyone considered looking for a coach anywhere other than Mid Majors? Every successful mid major coach isn’t built for the SEC.

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NC State thinks he’s elite

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No they don’t.
They know they wouldn’t attract an elite coach without overpaying massively.
They can tell by the hiring process he isn’t elite. Elite coaches create bidding wars & aren’t signed before the sweet 16.
With that being said, he’s still one of the best coaches in LSU history & they shouldn't have fired him.

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You can be great and still underachieve

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Matter of perspective. And my perspective is, you can win a lot of regular season games and still not be a great coach. Why? Because it takes more than coaching. It takes talent, which he’s been able to recruit on a far higher level than the majority of the teams he plays (conference) yearly. So much so that it could mask any coaching deficiencies he had until he got to comparable talent & better coaching (NCAA tournament) where he usually loses. Once the parity is even close he looks average. I guess that’s why I count those lower level coaches that you overlook. They won those games based on coaching. Not having future NBA players playing against HS referees, PE teachers & personal trainers.

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there are only 16 multi time Title winning coaches ever

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All who have an argument to be greater than Cal.

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Cal is the 2nd winningest coach alltime to not have multiple titles only behind Boeheim,

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I’ve explained what I think about his wins. If you disagree, fine. But Boeheim? Are we comparing prime Big East to Conference USA? If you do then I understand who I’m conversing with, & I digress. But in MY opinion, the only conference that Calipari has been apart of that was as competitive as what Boeheim dealt with for the majority of his career is the SEC THIS YEAR. Cal, who had a top 5 class & multiple transfers from his previous top 2 class, won 19 games & lost in the 1st(?) rd of the conference tournament to a team with far less talent, but somewhat comparable. That’s who he is. He needs NBA talent in a 2nd or 3rd tier conference to succeed. Same thing can be said about 500 coaches. It’s not impressive. I literally named over 20 coaches. You picked one who had a much more impressive career than Calipari. It’s not even close between he & Boeheim. Cal wouldn’t have gone to the sweet 16 with the Carmelo team Boeheim won a title with. Are you familiar with Boeheim? He’s the greatest zone defense coach ever. Other great coaches modeled their zones after him including coach K. I’m not even sure Calipari can spell defense. Im done conversing w you. We just have two different ideas of what a great coach is & will never agree.

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Calipari is a HOFer

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I agree. I’d still argue he isn’t a great coach, but I guess it’s based on what your idea of great is.

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will go down as one of the 20 greatest coaches in CBB history.

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:lol: :rotflmao: you’re out of your mind. He’s 23rd in wins but he’s already passed people he’ll never be considered greater than (Wooden, Izzo, Pitino, Tarkanian, John Chaney, Denny Crum, Nolan Richardson, Jay Wright, Phog Allen, John Thompson, Bill Self etc) and a few more that have an argument like Lute Olsen, Tubby Smith, Don Haskins, Billy Donovan etc. Once you add the greats he hasn’t passed like idk Bobby Knight, Roy Williams, Bob Huggins Calhoun Boeheim Dean Smith Kryzewski etc, He’s not even close. He has 1 National championship & needed his freshman Center to set an all time record to get it. He is a talent hoarder, not a great basketball coach. Many wins come from playing in lesser conferences (A-10, Conf USA) & out recruiting everyone by a mile. A strategy that leads to many regular season wins (which is the ONLY metric you could use to consider him great) but few national championships (the primary metric you should use to measure a coaches greatness) Parity is his cryptonite which, to me shows an absence of greatness. Even the years he dominated the SEC were during an unprecedented football run. 7 top 10 teams & 10 or 11 ranked teams. I think it’s safe to say a few schools weren’t as committed to their BB programs as they are now. And it shows. The BB rankings look like football 10 years ago, & he’s nowhere near the top.

Our basketball threads feel like politics. I don’t agree w either side enough to attach myself to it, but both sides have points.
The obsession w Will Wade has less to do w him & more to do w the state of the program before & after him. He was an above average coach & ran an above average program at a school that hadn’t had either in about 20 years. The fact that he’s still coaching in Louisiana at a lesser school (which should give context to his national value) drives his most loyal fans crazy. It speaks more to the state of LSU Basketball than Wade as a coach. They think he’s the best we can get. And if SW keeps digging in the MID-major dumpster like a fricking stray dog, they might be right.

I said Jai Lucas a few months ago among others as an example of a prototype we should look at (young assistants who are proven recruiters at blue blood schools)
Got downvoted to Hell. He just accepted the job at Miami. “Realistic” isn’t the same for everyone. You’re conversing with 95% morons on this app who probably couldn’t name 10 active coaches.

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It is so much more about Jimmy and Joe, than X and O, in college basketball.

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This is true on every level of basketball.

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Coaches get too much of the blame for bad teams and too much credit for good teams.

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Relatively speaking, college coaches should get the most blame/credit. Personnel is 100% up to them as opposed to front office input in the NBA. Team talent is far lower (than nba) can’t rely on many players to “get their shot” consistently. More sets need to be executed to score. There are no James Hardens or SGA’s that can go get 50 on their own. Development is more important. Can’t make trades mid season to improve the roster. Incoming players (freshman vs rookies) aren’t as skilled. Etc..

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Guard play is where it is at in college

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I’m not so sure about this. UConn & Purdue featured centers last year. Neither POY candidate this year (Broome, Flagg) is a guard. Dominating the post is what I’d focus on. College ball is much more like HS ball than it is to NBA ball. Size wins. Rebounding wins bc there will be more misses. Shots closer to the rim beat 3’s bc most players don’t shoot well.