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re: Where do they rank Stetson in the SEC if he wins the Natty again?

Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:40 pm to
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:40 pm to
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We only have 2 more weeks of seeing you on this board before

Doubt it.

The two half-wit sewer rant addicted overlords of this board think this gayness is cute

Remember when the e-clique got their Auburn e-bro on here and then every other post in every single thread was from him? That’s what this is looking like.

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Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:43 am to
Names have been hidden to preserve anonymity, but it doesn't look like he was added by anyone that starts with a W. Not sure how I got dragged into all this

Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:20 am to
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Just playing devils advocate for a moment. That is an insane stay BUT how much of that stat is masked because our O held the ball so often with all of the 3 and outs and prevention of sustained drives? If a school can now go maybe 35 yards and punt and shave off a few minutes vs maybe the 5 play drive that lasted 2 minutes last year before punting, what does that look like?

I think at times we forget (still wickedly efficient last year) how often our boys got to play loose and would have the ball back in 5 snaps.


I think you are overthinking it.

Opponents ran 1.4 fewer plays against our defense per game in 2021 vs 2020.

Opponents did punt 1 more time per game in 2021 vs 2020. Which is more significant of a number. But I would chalk that up to games where Jordan Davis was hurt in 2020 (Florida, Miss St, and South Carolina were 1.5 to 2.5 punts per game below the average skewing the average).

The first half stats are to indicate that the offense is elite or near elite when we want to be (and the game's winner is still undetermined). Outside of goalline situations, our running game was not elite last season. I would put more weight that this years results do not improve because we are better running (which results in fewer snaps and fewer yards per snap) versus a change in the defense from a year ago.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:30 am to
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I've often said Murray is the best QB we've ever had and I stick by that, whether I'm right or wrong who knows that's just what I feel personally. I don't really see how anyone could present a rational case that stetson is a "better quarterback" than aaron murray but it seems that's the route you're going.


Stetson is better throwing the screens than Aaron Murray. Murray had a much stronger arm and could hit tight horizontal windows in zone that Stet (up to this point) does not excel at (I think that also makes Murray a better red zone QB).
But Murray would have won a national championship if he could have the touch to get the ball up and down over the pass rush better. In 4 years, he was never good at that. And in 4 years, he had to suffer the consequences of a pass rush pinning their ears back because he didn't have an effective counter.

Is Stet better than Murray?
It is debatable both ways.
Stets ability to get the ball up and down efficiently over all 3 levels of the defense makes him more dangerous against man coverage. It adds the screen game to his playbook which can make him more dangerous than Murray against blitzing teams.

With Jalen Carter at fullback, I might take Stet over Murray at this point. And at the end of the season, it may be a much quicker answer.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:00 am to
Man, i have watched 20 years of highlights recently and Murray's arm was not appreciably different than Stetson, hell stet goes deep way more and connects.

Richts offense was built around the 15 yard out, under Kirby it has been the deep ball off of fear of the run game.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:10 am to
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Man, i have watched 20 years of highlights recently and Murray's arm was not appreciably different than Stetson, hell stet goes deep way more and connects


Stet doesn't go deep "more" than Murray. It is about the same frequency and both connected at a high clip.
Murray had Malcolm Mitchell, Tavares King, and AJ Green. And he used them.

As for arm strength... we would be arguing "degrees of separation". It is pretty subjective. But I would put the difference of Murray to Stafford about the same as Murray to Stet (stet has supposedly beefed up. So who knows if it comes out of his hand different this season).

I disagree that richt's offense was built off of 15 yard outs. He absolutely kept the ball to the outside (monken did too in 2021) but I think that was to help the running game which was still extremely important to his offense. There were plenty of deep shots to Richt's game. A solid running game always helped there.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
15549 posts
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:26 pm to
Here is what the nfl thought of Murray:

Strengths
Has a quick release and is light enough on his feet to escape the first wave and make some plays on the move
Solid decision-maker -- takes what the defense gives him
Fine short-to-intermediate accuracy
Good intangibles
Encouraging team leader with a likeable personality
Leads by example
Serves well as the face of the program
Outstanding work ethic
Is very intelligent and football smart
Experienced, four-year starter in the SEC

Weaknesses
Short and short-armed with a low release point that leads to batted balls
Very small-framed with a thin waist and a body that is not built to withstand the punishment that comes in the pocket
Average arm talent
Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well
Could stand to improve his footwork
Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust
Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots
Loses poise under duress and can be rattled easily by pressure
Gets too jittery and anxious (overanalyzes) in big games and has a very low winning percentage vs
top-10 teams
Long-term durability is concerning
Posted by meansonny
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26028 posts
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:03 pm to
That's a pretty generic description and could fit almost every qb at UGA the last 20 years not named Stafford/Eason/Fields.
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