re: UGA Basketball Season Long Thread (19-15, 10-10) // Season Complete

Juwan is averaging 9.3 PPG this year. Only 1 freshman under Fox has averaged double digits (most not even remotely close) and that was KCP.

To think a TFr (which fox is notorious for keeping on a short leash) is going to be an instant upgrade over parker is just wishful thinking. COULD happen absolutely, but to say it as fact is ridiculous.

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I'm giving you facts and all you can debate back is look what fox has done with other freshman.

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It is astounding the arguments you make without realizing how silly you look. Read what I just quoted.

You are presenting "facts" such as recruit's potential and length and projected PPG while I give "facts" on what our actual coach has actually done. Someone could have given all kinds of facts about how highly touted Crump was in HS and all his accolades but it's obvious that that doesn't mean jack when he got to our roster.

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You are arguing for the sake of arguing and because your Anti-Mark Fox and you want to discredit anything he has done positive for our basketball program.

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Any even casual readers in here or on other threads would know that is 100% false and you're simply lying at this point. I have always acknowledged what fox has done for us and I'm thankful for it. It's simply time to move on because he's not getting it done.

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None of you have presented a legitimately rational logical argument as to why we would or would not be a better team next year.

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we've presented arguments ad naseum on why fox is not the answer for our basketball program. For some reason you seem to be the one ignoring.

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I started a while back asking for a list of names that could replace fox that are realistic and improve our program. Unless I'm mistaken you gave Matt McCall and that's it. Nobody else.

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You are mistaken, in that I was first and foremost intrigued by kevin keatts. If you would pay attention, I was also very clear to point out that I'm not doing the hiring so I haven't devoted the time and resources to come up with a thorough comprehensive list since it's not my job to. But yes I will stand by my thought that kevin keatts would be a home run hire and better than fox for our program.

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Then someon on this thread posts a list of names that is legit and really strong. Meanwhile all you've done is discredit any of those people.

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Please copy and paste the post in quesiton, I'd really like to see it. Because I've done similar to that is ask why a grand slam hire like hoiberg would leave the chicago bulls to come here. Which btw isn't even remotely the same as discrediting him.

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Ogbeide, Maten, Jordan Harris have all played significant minutes as freshman. There goes that point out the window.

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What point? Show me the average MPG of every freshman fox has signed. And we SHOULD be playing a lot of minutes out of highly talented guys like maten, that's a good thing! And the fact that someone like DO gets a lot of minutes isn't saying much considering his competition in the post last year was KPG and Kessler.

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Believe what you want but if this whole class and team stays together next year, whoever is coaching the dawgs will inherit a better team this year versus next year for all of the reasons stated in the last two pages of posts.

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Except the only person that has proven they can shoot and handle the ball is graduating. But, hey, maybe Jordan Harris grows by leaps and bounds this offseason...

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Take for instance a thread I started a while back asking for a list of names that could replace fox that are realistic and improve our program. Unless I'm mistaken you gave Matt McCall and that's it. Nobody else.

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What about the list 5 pages ago of 10 options?

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Crump is getting his first start today fwiw.

In addition to a starter on butler, who fox forgot to offer, Here is another ga guy that would be an upgrade if we had a coach who was better at recruiting:

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1. You don't know what they think. 2. How can you say that? Harrick left in 2003. These recruits might have been 3 years old that year.

One went to Bama, who has less dance invites than we have over the past ten years, and the other went up up north to butler, due in large part because we didn't offer.

Put a guy with NBA cred like Avery Johnson at uga and we just might nab some stud players you automatically write off. Bring in an exciting up and comer, and we might offer some good ones fox deems unworthy.

We wouldn't have landed tray thompkins in 2009 or kcp in 2012 if what happened in 2003 still mattered, but it somehow matters in 2017? Sorry, but the shape of our current program is on fox alone.

Don't confuse Bama with a blue blood. This ain't football. They have a similar bball program to us.

Also, don't confuse butler with a blue blood. They might have clout in Indiana but not down south.

I would agree with your point if thompkins or kcp never came to uga, but they did a long time ago. You didn't comment on that.

I would agree with your point it were 2007, but it's 2017. A really good coach has moved well beyond any lingering effects of a bad situation from nearly 15 years ago:

See Scott drew at Baylor. That was a much crappier situation at an even crappier bball school, yet they are much better off now than we are.