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re: OT: Please tell me no one here supports Trump.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 10:57 pm to DawgsBollocks2.0
Posted on 1/3/16 at 10:57 pm to DawgsBollocks2.0
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It's called nonsense and should be ignored.
Just like the non-sense of trying to justify the murder of unborn children. It's fricking barbaric and in this day and age we as a society are a bunch of barbaric pieces of shite.
How is this for science, after conception ...when a woman is pregnant...the result of that is a fricking child. Let's start the debate right here.
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Posted on 1/3/16 at 10:59 pm to DawgsBollocks2.0
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I have a medical doctorate and I ain't even bullshitting.
Congrats on the Master's
I refuse to waste any more money going to school. I've spent most of my adult years in college or gaining certs for my profession. Dad life is so much better. I won't be getting a PHD.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:12 pm to olddawg26
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In my early college days a close girl friend of mine became pregnant and the baby was being born in whats known as an ectopic pregnancy. If you've actually ever debated the morality vs freedom of choice issue of abortion then you know what I'm talking about. Rare as they are, they exist. The baby was forming outside of the uterus and if continuing to form, was going to put the mothers reproductive system and maybe life in danger, along with the fact the baby had <10% chance to actually be delivered alive.
Obviously there would need to be a medical review of some type to determine if these things were actually true and make a common sense determination. What we have right now is a barbaric free for all allowing any girl with a vagina and a little bit of money/insurance the perfectly legal option of negating her pregnancy.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:29 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Abortion doesn't mean the murder of a child. Sucking out a few hundred cells at 4 weeks isn't the same as gunning down a kid in a park.
And abortion isn't always (I'd guess not even close to the majority) used as a means to offload an unwanted pregnancy. There are many medical complications that would necessitate one. Having witnessed it myself, it's very traumatic for the mother. It's not like getting her hair did.
Listen, if people want to oppose abortion because it offends their particular set of allegories that's one thing. Trying to pass b.s. as fact is another and should offend anyone with a discerning mind.
I remember having this argument in middle school. The fact this is still brought up for debate in presidential elections is troubling.
And abortion isn't always (I'd guess not even close to the majority) used as a means to offload an unwanted pregnancy. There are many medical complications that would necessitate one. Having witnessed it myself, it's very traumatic for the mother. It's not like getting her hair did.
Listen, if people want to oppose abortion because it offends their particular set of allegories that's one thing. Trying to pass b.s. as fact is another and should offend anyone with a discerning mind.
I remember having this argument in middle school. The fact this is still brought up for debate in presidential elections is troubling.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:29 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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medical review of some type to determine if these things were actually true
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Are you suggesting these aren't a real thing? How could you ever have a morality debate about abortion without knowing about a scenario like this? Just stating your opinion about how women shouldn't have these choices?
Back to my question... Do you think she had a right to save her own life by aborting that pregnancy? Be honest.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:42 pm to DawgsBollocks2.0
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Abortion doesn't mean the murder of a child. Sucking out a few hundred cells at 4 weeks isn't the same as gunning down a kid in a park.
bullshite, both remove life
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And abortion isn't always (I'd guess not even close to the majority) used as a means to offload an unwanted pregnancy.
again, the vast ......I mean a huge , I mean 99.99999999999 pct of the time it is to remove an unwanted pregnancy.
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I remember having this argument in middle school. The fact this is still brought up for debate in presidential elections is troubling.
The fact that we still perform this barbaric bullshite is troubling. It's convenient fricking murder.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:47 pm to olddawg26
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Are you suggesting these aren't a real thing? How could you ever have a morality debate about abortion without knowing about a scenario like this? Just stating your opinion about how women shouldn't have these choices?
I'm saying this is the typical out for anyone who supports the murder of children. Do you know how many children a year are fricking aborted? Now how many of those abortions are based on medical necessity? I'm saying there is a way for if abortion was made illegal that you would have a medical review on special circumstances related to medical necessity in order to determine if an abortion is needed to preserve life.
Back to the actual topic, Abortion is fricking murder. I mean, why the frick else do we prosecute murdered pregnant women as a double homicide....because its fricking convenient?
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:26 am to Prettyboy Floyd
You're addressing someone else. I asked you a question about that situation. You say it's murder. Would you consider it self defense of the mothers life is in jeopardy from one of these situations?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 12:27 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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why the frick else do we prosecute murdered pregnant women as a double homicide
Because the mother did not choose to end the babies life. That's kinda silly
Posted on 1/4/16 at 1:04 am to olddawg26
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Because the mother did not choose to end the babies life. That's kinda silly
so because the mother made the choice it makes it ok....yeah that makes total sense.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 1:12 am to olddawg26
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Would you consider it self defense of the mothers life is in jeopardy from one of these situations?
There is a reason they call it pro-choice....it's choices like these that are so rare that we chose to ignore mothers killing unwanted babies based on rare isolated cases like those you are eluding to in order to justify your support of abortion.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 1:31 am to Prettyboy Floyd
first off cut the "pro abortion" bullshite. No one is for killing babies okay? That's so disengenuious it's sickening. I don't support careless pregnancy abortions at all, but I also understand there are isolated situations where you and every other talking head needs to leave the decision up to the woman. Understand when you hear abortion you envision only the worst of the issue. You're ignoring the fact that there are politicians at he top that wouldn't allow a girl to have one even in the case of the mothers health. All I'm asking is for everyone to have some negotiation room on their definition of what "choices" the woman can have.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 1:48 am to olddawg26
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Understand when you hear abortion you envision only the worst of the issue.
The worst of the issue?
We are aborting millions of babies...I'm looking at the barbaric bullshite we allow in our society.
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No one is for killing babies okay?
That is indeed, not a fact!!! That is exactly what abortion accomplishes.
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That's so disengenuious it's sickening
Answer me this since this is so disengenuious....what comes out of a womans body after 9 months term?
I'll wait
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All I'm asking is for everyone to have some negotiation room on their definition of what "choices" the woman can have.
When does the fetus get a choice?
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 1:54 am
Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:14 am to Prettyboy Floyd
You refuse to acknowledge that there are scenarios where abortion is the best option. Is this how you feel or not?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:17 am to FinleyStreet
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OT: Please tell me no one here supports Trump.
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Facts are facts, no matter what site they come from.
Yeah...no...
As I said....I am posting information. If you find dissenting or contradicting information, then feel free to post the links. I'll be glad to give it a look. Oh, and I noticed you guys are picking which of my sources to attack. The most damning information I put out there came from The New York Times....HARDLY an antiabortion site.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:19 am to olddawg26
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So God doesn't have foresight into his own creation? Some of these God arguments are so stupid
Come on, man. You don't recognize sarcasm?
He clearly was using sarcasm.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:23 am to dawgfan24348
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Religion doesn't belong in politics anyway
What has abortion got to do with religion? I mean, some people can oppose abortion based upon their religious beliefs, but there are many people that oppose abortion that are not religious at all. Just like there are many people who oppose murder, stealing etc based upon their religious beliefs and there are many that oppose those simply because they think it is wrong.
Just because you don't like religion doesn't mean every argument you don't like is based on religion.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:43 am to dawgfan24348
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So I guess they shouldn't get one if they've been raped or are in danger of losing their own life
Over a million abortions are performed in our country every single year. Do you HONESTLY believe they are all a result of rape or the mother's life being in danger?
The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year.
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Since you guys scoffed at my other sources (Even the New York Times) I got this from a government web site.
The US National Library of Medicine. So, out of 1.2 million abortions performed in the United States alone, something like 32,000 are from rape. I could not find any statistics relating to incest.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:45 am to olddawg26
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You refuse to acknowledge that there are scenarios where abortion is the best option. Is this how you feel or not?
Let me ask you this, olddawg. IF PrettyboyFloyd were to acknowledge that there are cases when abortion is the best option....would you then say that in all other cases abortion is not necessary, and should NOT be performed?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:46 am to DawgsLife
So can you safely say that abortion is justified for 32,000 women or should they have to have the baby
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