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Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:30 pm to SthGADawg
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:30 pm to SthGADawg
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calling someone a statist bacause they believe there is some good that can come from govt is ignorant...
You're a moron. Go look up the definition of the word "statist".
Un-frickING-believable...........
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:36 pm to FooManChoo
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I always understood a "fence sitter" to be a person who doesn't take a side or position on an issue.
Fair enough, perhaps I am using the wrong terminology. I have beliefs they just don't neatly fit in to the categories we are given. I believe in being pragmatic and listening to both sides and typically try not to demonize others for their point of view. I try anyway.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:38 pm to PDXDawg
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I believe that govt should exist and I'm discussing governmental matters. I don't want the govt involved in everything in my life. But I thought we were discussing the areas in which they are and how I view both sides of the issue. Fence sitter meaning I can relate to both political sides. Not fence sitter in the sense of believing a govt should even exist or not.
You are missing the point.
The federal government has no authority to meddle in any of the issues that you described your "fence-sitter" views on. The enumerated powers of the federal government are few........and they are clearly defined.
So.............all you have really done is explain that you have certain views on certain unconstitutional illegitimate actions by the federal government. And yet, you are trying to tell me you are some kind of common-ground moderate mediator or something?
Give me a fricking break. You are a statist arguing with other statists about how the state should run the lives of 300 million people. Not a "fence-sitter". Sorry.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:38 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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You're a moron
you are a fricking moron...your schtick is tired and your politics are far fetched...what are you gonna start a revolution or secede?...frick you Jeff...get a fricking life...i come on here maybe a few times a week and every time I do you are in almost every thread hammering away at how unsatisfied you are with this new home yet you live on it all the fricking time...you are really a piece of work...very much reminiscent of one GATA...I wouldnt be surprised if you were in league or possibly an alter...i normally refrain from even acknowledging that you exist and will continue to do so...but you need to know that your views on govt, this board, and the UGA program are tired as frick...
"onward"...
fricking dbag
"s.e.i.y.g.e"
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:43 pm to SthGADawg
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SthGADawg
I'll interpret that as you followed my advice and went and looked up the word "statist"..........and now you feel embarrassed........
Sorry if the truth hurts mongoloid.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:47 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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The federal government has no authority to meddle in any of the issues that you described your "fence-sitter" views on. The enumerated powers of the federal government are few........and they are clearly defined. So.............all you have really done is explain that you have certain views on certain unconstitutional illegitimate actions by the federal government. And yet, you are trying to tell me you are some kind of common-ground moderate mediator or something? Give me a fricking break. You are a statist arguing with other statists about how the state should run the lives of 300 million people. Not a "fence-sitter". Sorry.
Not trying to be a mediator, just expressing my views for some of the topics on the thread. I don't really care if that angers you.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:47 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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calling someone a statist bacause they believe there is some good that can come from govt is ignorant...
Statism - a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
You can't make this shite up. And then the mother fricker goes off on a rant about ME????.......like I did something wrong here.......
frick this place.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:52 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I get what you're saying, but we aren't living in a Democracy, though we may be heading that way soon enough with the Constitution being ripped to shreds by "progressives" who want to interpret it to say what they want it to say rather than what it does say and what the founders intended it to say.
My comment about the majority of the people voting was meant specifically in regards to the quality of the politicians, not the type of government we have or would have. Currently, a plurality of votes gets someone elected to a representative position. They don't need 51%, they just need more than anyone else on the ballot. If the majority of voters (let's say most if not all voters) were better informed on civics and economics (as a start), the quality of the representatives they elect would (hopefully) be better. And, if the person(s) the people vote for turn out to be terrible and devastating to the country, I would hope an informed populous would be more willing to give that person a pink slip and try again.
As it stands, we have politicians get elected on who looks better rather than who has better ideas or policies or a better worldview. The President is chosen because of the color of his skin, rather than his credentials or ideas. Someone is elected because they make fewer mistakes when speaking, even if the content of their speeches are fluff and inconsequential. We are a civilization that values form over function and what looks or sounds better rather than what is foundationally better. We are a shallow people, and our elected representatives reflect it.
My comment about the majority of the people voting was meant specifically in regards to the quality of the politicians, not the type of government we have or would have. Currently, a plurality of votes gets someone elected to a representative position. They don't need 51%, they just need more than anyone else on the ballot. If the majority of voters (let's say most if not all voters) were better informed on civics and economics (as a start), the quality of the representatives they elect would (hopefully) be better. And, if the person(s) the people vote for turn out to be terrible and devastating to the country, I would hope an informed populous would be more willing to give that person a pink slip and try again.
As it stands, we have politicians get elected on who looks better rather than who has better ideas or policies or a better worldview. The President is chosen because of the color of his skin, rather than his credentials or ideas. Someone is elected because they make fewer mistakes when speaking, even if the content of their speeches are fluff and inconsequential. We are a civilization that values form over function and what looks or sounds better rather than what is foundationally better. We are a shallow people, and our elected representatives reflect it.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:58 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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looked up the word
nope
Posted on 1/21/14 at 2:11 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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The problem is with the people, IMO, not the politicians. Crooks keep getting elected because idiots keep voting for them.
The people are just a symptom of the problem.
I believe this to be the case for most people just as vassals were defined by the feudal system in Europe during the Middle Ages.
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The real problem is the system itself. It has been hijacked and recognizes no restraints.
Please expound on this. I pretty much see the current "system" in the U.S. as a combination of capitalism and socialism which evolved from 2 opposing philosophies which live on to this day: the Federalist who supported a strong central government and government expansion and the Democrat-Republicans who supported states rights and limited federal government. This document is a simplified summary of key events which can easily be extrapolated to define our current divide: LINK Basically the Federalist/modern day Democrats won the Civil War and have dominated the political landscape ever since. Even so called conservative Republicans like Reagan and Bush effectively expanded the role of the federal government. What we are left with is 2 factions, Democrats and Republicans, competing for the same thing: political power by expanding the federal government.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 2:37 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Trying to convince 300 million folks (well, ~200 million voting age folks) to "withdraw their accounts" is no less "pie-in-the-sky" than what you are suggesting - it's just another long-shot viewpoint.
Stake your future, your freedom, etc. on yourself. Disengage. Get off the grid. You need no government, no revolution, no nothing but your own will to do it. Buy some land. Get a boat. Whatever. There are at least a half dozen ways to do it. I'm pulling for you. It's my ultimate goal.
Until then, I like rustlin' jimmies with my vote and pointing out how foolish people are for thinking there's actually a difference between blue and red.
Stake your future, your freedom, etc. on yourself. Disengage. Get off the grid. You need no government, no revolution, no nothing but your own will to do it. Buy some land. Get a boat. Whatever. There are at least a half dozen ways to do it. I'm pulling for you. It's my ultimate goal.
Until then, I like rustlin' jimmies with my vote and pointing out how foolish people are for thinking there's actually a difference between blue and red.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:39 pm to SthGADawg
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you are really a piece of work...very much reminiscent of one GATA...I wouldnt be surprised if you were in league or possibly an alter...
Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:49 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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frick this place.
You feel this way yet you continue to stick around and bitch, endlessly.
Just leave and join some place that will appreciate your crackpot, tinfoil hat bullshite about everything.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:51 pm to davesdawgs
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Please expound on this. I pretty much see the current "system" in the U.S. as a combination of capitalism and socialism which evolved from 2 opposing philosophies which live on to this day: the Federalist who supported a strong central government and government expansion and the Democrat-Republicans who supported states rights and limited federal government. This document is a simplified summary of key events which can easily be extrapolated to define our current divide: LINK Basically the Federalist/modern day Democrats won the Civil War and have dominated the political landscape ever since. Even so called conservative Republicans like Reagan and Bush effectively expanded the role of the federal government. What we are left with is 2 factions, Democrats and Republicans, competing for the same thing: political power by expanding the federal government.
Yes! Now we are getting somewhere… I agree with most of that…….
See…people have been brain-washed into believing this fairy-tale that americans are the chosen ones…..and that God blessed “america” with freedom through the work of some angelic band of founding fathers or some bullshite like that..…but nothing could be more insulting or further from the Truth.
The greatest example of this being the continually-repeated propaganda line that….”The Constitution was created to limit and control government”. As usual, the exact opposite is true. The Constitutional Convention was actually a coup held in secret to INCREASE and EXPAND the role and power of government! This is indisputable fact. Some were unhappy with the impotence of the Articles of Confederation, so they lobbied for something stronger. Something more centralized. More powerful. And they got their wish.
True, there were a great number of politicians that opposed this idea and feared what they were possibly creating and setting in motion….. and the ones calling themselves the anti-Federalists tried to tack on a Bill of Rights as a hail mary to try and slow down and contain the centralization,……………… but they obviously failed. And their worst fears have been exceeded in ways they could never have even fathomed back then. The largest obstacle, as you mention, falling with the evil Lincoln’s treasonous and despicable invasion of the South which forever ended the original intent of the american experiment….. and resulted in the creation of “one Nation indivisible”.
So…..when I refer to “the system” as the problem, I am not referring to capitalism or socialism or other isms. I’m refering to the obscene CENTRALIZATION of power away from the individual and their communities and towards DC. I’m talking about a system that puts so much power over so many people in the hands of so few. A system that went from the agent of the people to protect their freedoms and property……to a system that is hell bent on assaulting and stealing peoples freedoms and property……and which they are powerless to prevent.
It’s not rocket science, but there’s just so much propaganda and distraction. And so many people on the payroll or brainwashed by USA! USA! USA! nationalism......that they can't see the elephant in the room. THat the DC Leviathan itself is the problem. And that it can never ever ever be the solution.
DE-CENTRALIZATION is the only solution. But, you are a fool if you think that you are ever going to elect a politician to office..........and then get him to relinquish any of his power. Does that make sense dave?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:48 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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DE-CENTRALIZATION is the only solution. But, you are a fool if you think that you are ever going to elect a politician to office..........and then get him to relinquish any of his power. Does that make sense dave?
It absolutely does Jeff and and I agree completely. I thought about exactly what you said before you posted it. States rights/de-centralization is one of the ultimate enigmas; the very thing that you advocate, reducing the size and power of the central government, actually reduces your ability to affect the necessary change.
It reminds me of the movie, Gladiator, when Marcus Aurelius told his son that his power would pass to the Senate, that Rome is be a Republic again. Perhaps the only way that the U.S. will ever be a decentralized Republic again is for a benevolent dictator to help the people understand what they have lost and cede power back to the states.
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Marcus Aurelius: And what is Rome, Maximus?
Maximus: I've seen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark, Rome is the light.
Marcus Aurelius: Yet you have never been there. You have not seen what it has become. I am dying, Maximus. When a man sees his end... he wants to know there was some purpose to his life. How will the world speak my name in years to come? Will I be known as the philosopher? The warrior? The tyrant...? Or will I be the emperor who gave Rome back her true self? There was once a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter.
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This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:54 pm to gatorhata9
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frick this place.
You feel this way yet you continue to stick around and bitch, endlessly.
Just leave and join some place that will appreciate your crackpot, tinfoil hat bullshite about everything.
He should not leave any more than you should unless of course that is his choice. One thing I have learned in 61 years of life if nothing else, is that every opinion, even the most radical or seemingly senseless, has something to offer even if it is the revelation of that with which you disagree.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:13 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Prettyboy Floyd, I had to take you off the list, pending further review.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:18 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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The greatest example of this being the continually-repeated propaganda line that….”The Constitution was created to limit and control government”. As usual, the exact opposite is true. The Constitutional Convention was actually a coup held in secret to INCREASE and EXPAND the role and power of government! This is indisputable fact. Some were unhappy with the impotence of the Articles of Confederation, so they lobbied for something stronger. Something more centralized. More powerful. And they got their wish.
True, there were a great number of politicians that opposed this idea and feared what they were possibly creating and setting in motion….. and the ones calling themselves the anti-Federalists tried to tack on a Bill of Rights as a hail mary to try and slow down and contain the centralization,……………… but they obviously failed. And their worst fears have been exceeded in ways they could never have even fathomed back then. The largest obstacle, as you mention, falling with the evil Lincoln’s treasonous and despicable invasion of the South which forever ended the original intent of the american experiment….. and resulted in the creation of “one Nation indivisible”.
This is a very interesting perspective. They did ratify the bill of rights after the fact, which includes the 10th amendment which explicitly states that all powers not expressly granted to the federal government is reserved by the people and the states, respectively, or some such. When did that go awry? Lincoln?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:05 pm to deeprig9
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This is a very interesting perspective. They did ratify the bill of rights after the fact, which includes the 10th amendment which explicitly states that all powers not expressly granted to the federal government is reserved by the people and the states, respectively, or some such. When did that go awry? Lincoln?
Pretty much. The Civil War was the ultimate conflict over states rights and when the South lost the war the Democrat-Republicans lost their main issue/platform, states rights and limited federal government. LINK Thereafter you might argue that the Republicans took the stance: if we can't beat them then we might as well join them in increasing their power by expanding the federal government. So what we are left with is pretty much two sides of the same coin with a minority faction of conservative limited government advocates represented by the Tea Party as part of the Republican Party. And of course these people are routinely marginalized by the liberal news media as radical kooks.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:37 pm to FooManChoo
Ok. I'm not reading any more of this. It's obvious that pretty boy Floyd is an utter moron.
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