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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:05 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:05 pm to deeprig9
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Hot off the press....
Louisiana dad says his son didn't die of covid, but state counts him in death toll because he was asymptomatic positive at time of death.
UK press..
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I consider it a fog of war syndrome. Coroners, when in doubt are going to go with the Coronavirus cause of death if they test positive. The truth is the average age of death in the U.S. from the Coronavirus is 80. The normal death rate for that age group and older is about 6%. So people in that age group are more likely to die from typical causes for that age group than from the Coronavirus.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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If a 80 year old man with lung cancer gets Covid and dies, what killed him? The cancer or the Covid?
Exactly, it was inevitable that the death rate of the Coronavirus would be higher than H1V1 because the Swine Flu affected more younger healthy people who are generally more resistant to any disease, while the Coronavirus is much more deadly to our aged population.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:16 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:Old age.
a 80 year old man with lung cancer gets Covid and dies, what killed him
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:26 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Old age.
Right, but that’s currently getting counted as a Covid death.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:12 pm to Crowknowsbest
But if they die of respiratory failure related to covid it’s fair to attribute it to covid. Old people are always going to die of something but it always has to get listed as something. I’m not saying that’s the ideal way to do it, just saying that’s how it is.
It’s a mess because it kills the older people mostly (and some younger people but less so) but at least from experience it’s looking like young people are asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic carriers. Have seen young people with symptoms you’d think a few completely unrelated that have really messed up chest X-ray or CT that turn out to have it. People showing up with presumed appendicitis and meningitis that end up having covid...that’s the dangerous stuff
It’s a mess because it kills the older people mostly (and some younger people but less so) but at least from experience it’s looking like young people are asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic carriers. Have seen young people with symptoms you’d think a few completely unrelated that have really messed up chest X-ray or CT that turn out to have it. People showing up with presumed appendicitis and meningitis that end up having covid...that’s the dangerous stuff
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:13 pm to Crowknowsbest
There is so much wrong with how this is all being handled from reporting to safety to everything else. This needs to hurry up and run it's course.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:16 pm to TMDawg
I agree if the death was respiratory failure then it's attributable to cv for reporting purposes, it is a respiratory disease.
But let me also ask you this... if an AIDS patient dies of common cold, is the cause of death common cold?
But let me also ask you this... if an AIDS patient dies of common cold, is the cause of death common cold?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:17 pm to TMDawg
TM, you have personally seen this?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:22 pm to deeprig9
quote:I agree that it’s complex and boiling it down to one number or stat isn’t fair. It doesn’t give a great representation. The 80yo with lung cancer is fair to say they had a bad outcome in the near future anyways. But the 65yo hypertensive...they could’ve easily made it 15 more years
if an AIDS patient dies of common cold, is the cause of death common cold?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:23 pm to deeprig9
quote:Which part? The young people with the non respiratory symptoms? Yes. Myself and most people I work with have been exposed to it by them already. And that’s the scary part of it hence why most people wear PPE (ask barstools what this is) around regardless even though hospital admin has asked people to ease up on it so it doesn’t scare patients which is complete bullshite
TM, you have personally seen this?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:30 pm to TMDawg
The part where young healthy no underlying conditions people are getting xray and ct and shows their lungs fricked up with covid
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:32 pm to deeprig9
Yes with young people (40ish and younger people but don’t take 40 as a hard fast rule)
ETA: to the extent that people are surprised they have no shortness of breath or cough
ETA: to the extent that people are surprised they have no shortness of breath or cough
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:35 pm to TMDawg
How many have you seen, and I thought you were a bottle filler?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:40 pm to deeprig9
No I’m not, I have pharmacist friends that have been getting exposed in hospital and community pharmacy. PPE shortage in hospitals has been talked about but outpatient pharmacists have been getting really fricked with regards to PPE and nobody acknowledges that.
I’m not sure, a good bit. Haven’t kept track of it. They’ve definitely been uptrending though. And I’m not even on the front lines of it (ED/ICU) but friends in there have been getting it much worse.
I’m not sure, a good bit. Haven’t kept track of it. They’ve definitely been uptrending though. And I’m not even on the front lines of it (ED/ICU) but friends in there have been getting it much worse.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:57 pm to TMDawg
Well shite, I want to know more. Tell me everything you can within the bounds of HIPAA.
A/S/L and condition of the patient.
A/S/L and condition of the patient.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:02 pm to deeprig9
You’ve got my email
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:13 pm to Crowknowsbest
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If a 80 year old man with lung cancer gets Covid and dies, what killed him? The cancer or the Covid?
Guess it depends on how the person died. ARDS?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:24 pm to djsdawg
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ARDS
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:28 pm to djsdawg
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Guess it depends on how the person died. ARDS?
I’m not a doctor, but wouldn’t lung cancer make someone much more vulnerable to the effects of ARDS?
If so, what killed them? I think you could argue both, and that’s one of many problems with these statistics.
Never mind that said victim is likely to have a bad outcome soon in any case, as was mentioned above.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:32 pm to Crowknowsbest
Depends on how far the disease had progressed. Same problems arise with Flu stats.
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