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Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:53 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/18/22 at 7:53 am to DawgsLife
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Yes, it took injuries, but Peter's point still stands.
It is the injuries that refutes Peter's point. He says Catalina was good enough and didn't need the injuries. The nfl grabs talent. 31 teams could have grabbed him. He was going on the practice squad which is a waiver wire free agent so long as you put the player on your 52 man. When the 2 injuries happened, Catalina was at the right place at the right time. And when the injuries healed, Catalina got sent back down.
But like you said, that was the pro's. Catalina wasn't that good in college at tackle. He lacked the footwork to be good at tackle "in college". And what is worse, Catalina at tackle blocked Isaiah Wynn from being "great at tackle" (Wynn was bad at guard in college).
This is all plain as day to me. I believed it in 2016. I got my confirmation in 2017. I firmly believe that the coaching staff learned from their mistakes (promises to recruits) because the recruits intentions and goals are not in line with helping the team be better on Saturdays. The culture began to improve when Catalina signed udfa.
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 10:42 am to DawgsLife
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Do you not understand how difficult to make an NFL roster?
Why, yes, I do. I also stated why I think that he made the roster in the first place: his measurables were/are elite.
There are plenty of coaches, at every level, that look at that size and mobility and believe that THEY can squeeze some juice from that fruit.
He barely made the NFL roster with elite size and mobility. If you'd point out where I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it and correct myself.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 11:01 am to meansonny
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It is the injuries that refutes Peter's point. He says Catalina was good enough and didn't need the injuries.
I don't recall him saying that Catalina did not need injuries, but simply that Catalina was good enough to play in the NFL. I may have missed this, though. However, Catalina was obviously good enough to play in the NFL since he did, indeed play in the NFL. The fact that Catalina was sent down afte the injuries are healed is immaterial. Players getting a shot to play because of injuries are scattered across every sport. But they still played.
quote:This goes back to my argument i made at the time we were all discussing it. What you said is on the coaches. Wynn should have been playing tackle and Catalina should have been playing at guard. Those decisions ultimately fall on the coaches. It can be argued that the coaches promised Catalina he would be at Guard, but if this is true, then that is on the coaches for not recognizing in film that Catalina did not belong at tackle.
Catalina wasn't that good in college at tackle. He lacked the footwork to be good at tackle "in college". And what is worse, Catalina at tackle blocked Isaiah Wynn from being "great at tackle" (Wynn was bad at guard in college).
quote:I don't recall any "proof" of them making any such promise...merely speculation that gained legs and was accepted as fact. Even if they had made that promise, they should have still made the switch for the betterment of the team.
(promises to recruits)
Again, we typically agree on a ton of topics. I think we agree on this one, with the lone exception being that Catalina was not an NFL caliber player. He was not an NFL caliber Tackle, but since he played in the NFL he was an NFL caliber guard, and that would certainly indicate that he was, or could have been a good college guard.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 11:06 am to Cheer
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Why, yes, I do. I also stated why I think that he made the roster in the first place: his measurables were/are elite.
There are plenty of coaches, at every level, that look at that size and mobility and believe that THEY can squeeze some juice from that fruit.
He barely made the NFL roster with elite size and mobility. If you'd point out where I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it and correct myself.
So he made an NFL roster at some point? I mean, there are plenty of players that have NFL size and measurables that never sniff and NFL roster. The NFL does not keep you on a roster because you are big.
And, we are mainly talking about Catalina's usefullness in college. The NFL narrative came out of that original argument. He had talent. He was just misused and out of position in college.
It's like putting Ladd McConkey at tightend than people saying he was a lousy college player. I mean, as a tightend? yes, he would be. Asa WR, I would say he does pretty well.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 12:31 pm to DawgsLife
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The NFL does not keep you on a roster because you are big.
Really?
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He had talent.
Lol.Of course he did. It just didn't match up to his size.
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It's like putting Ladd McConkey at tightend than people saying he was a lousy college player. I mean, as a tightend? yes, he would be. Asa WR, I would say he does pretty well.
Lol. Okay.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 12:48 pm to Cheer
Catalina was trash at UGA. That he was called upon as a graduate transfer as a plug and play just tells you how dire the straights we're on that line after Richt left.
Congrats to Catalina, I guess, for making a squad.
Really, everyone here is arguing around one another. Everyone here understands why Catalina made an NFL roster just as everyone here understands why he didn't stick.
I'm embarrassed to even be having this discussion, at this point.
Congrats to Catalina, I guess, for making a squad.
Really, everyone here is arguing around one another. Everyone here understands why Catalina made an NFL roster just as everyone here understands why he didn't stick.
I'm embarrassed to even be having this discussion, at this point.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:01 pm to Cheer
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Really, everyone here is arguing around one another. Everyone here understands why Catalina made an NFL roster just as everyone here understands why he didn't stick.
truth.
It's ok to admit our coaches do make imperfect decisions sometimes.
The whole "well he was in the NFL for a bit" angle on catalina not sucking is kinda chuckle worthy. Should we also give Jayson Stanley that same treatment? HE friggin sucked and couldn't catch a cold for us. I think he ended his career here with like 5 catches, and almost surely had more career drops than receptions. yet has somehow managed to sign on with SIX different NFL squads. As for why, I have to imagine it's because he's 6'2", 210, and fast. Just like catalina may have raw uncoachable measurables, but that speaks nothing of his actual skill level or competency.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:17 pm to Cheer
quote:Yes, really. Hence the "He had NFL talent" narrative.
Really?
quote:So? Again. He had NFL talent and the thing that held him back at UGA was playing out of position.
Lol.Of course he did. It just didn't match up to his size.
Am I not understanding your argument? because I am arguing that he had NFL talent, and therefore had the talent to play well in college, but he was misused.
quote:I am guessing your lack of argument against my points mean we agree?
Lol. Okay.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:22 pm to Cheer
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Catalina was trash at UGA. That he was called upon as a graduate transfer as a plug and play just tells you how dire the straights we're on that line after Richt left.
Why was he trash at Georgia? I think that is the entire point. And the solution to the problem would have been to slide Wynne to tackle and move Catalina to guard, would it not? I mean, the next season Wynne was an all-sec tackle and Catalina went to the NFL as a guard.
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Congrats to Catalina, I guess, for making a squad.
Yeah. Cause everybody does. You make it sound as if anybody that wants to make an NFL squad walks up and is given a jersey. Just to make the team (Not to mention play in games...no matter why) is an accomplishment very few college players can claim. And playing in college is a claim that very few high school players can claim proportionately.
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I'm embarrassed to even be having this discussion, at this point.
You should be.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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I think he ended his career here with like 5 catches, and almost surely had more career drops than receptions. yet has somehow managed to sign on with SIX different NFL squads.
Ummm...no offense WG, but are you just going to gloss over the fact that Stanley is in the NFL as a DB and NOT a WR?
Posted on 11/18/22 at 1:28 pm to DawgsLife
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I don't recall any "proof" of them making any such promise...merely speculation
The fact that he transferred in when he had other choices and never moved off the left tackle spot is the proof.
His play over the course of the season did not merit holding onto the position.
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Even if they had made that promise, they should have still made the switch for the betterment of the team.
We are in agreement, here. And it is why I believe the coaching staff made changes afterward for the betterment of the team. We have 2021 and 2022 because of these changes.
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with the lone exception being that Catalina was not an NFL caliber player
Catalina had everything break his way to get a shot in the NFL and he shite the bed. Playing in the NFL when 2 people ahead of you are injured does not make you an NFL caliber player. It makes you the recipient of good fortune and you shite the bed when you got your shot (further emphasizing the point that he wasn't an NFL caliber player).
Then... Catalina was further a recipient of good fortune. He got injured. That alone kept him on the practice squad longer than he would have been (within a week of getting healthy, he gets cut).
Catalina had a horseshoe up his butt both at UGA and the NFL.
If he did what was best for the team and move off the left tackle spot, I wouldn't be so hard on him. I wouldn't care (just like the 30% of roster players who contribute very little in a season).
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:07 pm to DawgsLife
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Just to make the team (...no matter why)...
Lulz. This is the entire point of the conversation, and you want to "no matter why" that shite.
You can believe that the kid was talented, and I can believe that the kid had no inherit talent beyond size/mobility. I could give a frick about his NFL career. There is a reason the last pick is known as "Mr. Irrelevant". He may not have been the last pick, but that's what he is.
Kid isn't considered a bust because a coach decided to take a chance on shite that you can't coach, while hoping that he could coach the rest into him.
They couldn't, and he's gone. Period.
"No matter why".
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:17 pm to DawgsLife
Right, he's so bad at the position they moved him somewhere else.
My overall point was...jsut because a player bounces around on NFL squads for a while, doesn't automatically mean they were any good here, or that they're even a good pro football player.
But anyways...as someone else mentioned, all this ultimately shows is that we have it SO good right now that this is what we have to occupy our time with. That's a pretty good spot to be in. I peek in over at the bama board every now and then and let me assure you they are talking about far more serious stuff right now than we are ha
My overall point was...jsut because a player bounces around on NFL squads for a while, doesn't automatically mean they were any good here, or that they're even a good pro football player.
But anyways...as someone else mentioned, all this ultimately shows is that we have it SO good right now that this is what we have to occupy our time with. That's a pretty good spot to be in. I peek in over at the bama board every now and then and let me assure you they are talking about far more serious stuff right now than we are ha
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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we have it SO good right now
We do. Feels good. Always will.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 10:06 pm to Spaceman Spiff
UGA history is your barometer ?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 6:39 am to meansonny
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The fact that he transferred in when he had other choices and never moved off the left tackle spot is the proof.
His play over the course of the season did not merit holding onto the position.
Or it could be proof that our coaches made a mistake? quote:I guess I just fine it difficult to wrap my head around coaches risking million dollar jobs so a kid that was here for a year could play tackle instead of guard.
We are in agreement, here. And it is why I believe the coaching staff made changes afterward for the betterment of the team. We have 2021 and 2022 because of these changes.
We do agree on many issues, but we both also should remember that these are based on our opinions. Which is fine, but we should also remain open that our opinion just might be wrong. I see where you get your opinion, but just making the practice squad of an NFL team for any length of time (for me) is proof of a players talent.
I have been fortunate to know, play against and play with some NFL players. Some were mega stars and some were fringe players. They were all incredible athletes.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 6:45 am to WG_Dawg
quote:I've never seen an NFL player that was "trash" in college, unless there were extenuating circumstances. (Playing out of position, injuries, etc) My argument is that Catalina was good...just not good where our coaches played him. That's not on him.
My overall point was...jsut because a player bounces around on NFL squads for a while, doesn't automatically mean they were any good here, or that they're even a good pro football player.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 6:47 am to DawgsLife
I shouldn't have gotten in this conversation. I can be strident sometimes with my opinions. I recognize that everybody has opinions and they are as valid as mine.
This is a tired and dead subject. Sorry for my keeping it alive again.
This is a tired and dead subject. Sorry for my keeping it alive again.
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