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re: What is your Realistic Timeline for a Coaching Change?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:15 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:15 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I'm still very concerned about our front 7 next year and our ability to stop the run, which has been the issue for some time. I don't see how we can break through in this conference until we change that, no matter what staff is in place.
Do you think the answer is to replace Chavis and Turner - the two guys responsible for our interior run defense? They've been given total autonomy and the talent level seems reasonable. It's not like in '13 where we trotted out nothing but true fish.
It seems to me that if they were as good as their resumes suggest, they'd be able to fix the issue. And yet they haven't. But I'm having a real hard time criticizing either hire because on paper they both look fantastic. What is the issue? Because I'm truly baffled by it
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:52 pm to tmc94
I don't think so. The only position coach/coordinator I would consider replacing is Moorehead. I have no idea what the issue is but it's extremely frustrating and has persisted through several sets of coordinators and position coaches. Is it the way we practice? Is it strength and conditioning? Those are the only constants I can think of. When you can't stop the run you are vulnerable to lose to bad teams though
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:54 pm to tmc94
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What is the issue? Because I'm truly baffled by it
The issue is Texas HS football SUCKS overall on the defensive side of the ball and just two years of coaching simply isn't enough to make up for that.
There are only so many guys who are true difference makers and w/how many teams recruit Texas you absolutely need to crush it on the recruiting trail to make up for how many dudes will be at best average garden variety players.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:59 pm to Dr RC
Texas HS players on defense go to other programs and show out though and play hard nosed football. Maybe not a defense filled out by then, but Alabama, LSU and Ole Miss (who played a physical brand of D before this year) have had several on each of their teams in years past.
And if that's truly the problem, we need to figure out a way to properly develop those players because it's unrealistic to think we can go to LA, GA, FL, TN and fill out an entire defense with the caliber of athlete we can from Texas.
And if that's truly the problem, we need to figure out a way to properly develop those players because it's unrealistic to think we can go to LA, GA, FL, TN and fill out an entire defense with the caliber of athlete we can from Texas.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Texas HS players on defense go to other programs and show out though and play hard nosed football
that why I said
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There are only so many guys who are true difference makers and w/how many teams recruit Texas you absolutely need to crush it on the recruiting trail to make up for how many dudes will be at best average garden variety players.
most Texas HS guys are just not prepared to come into the SEC and play this brand of football b/c they have never played against it before. All they know is basketball on turf.
It like how Texas QBs seem to be the best prepared to come in and play at a young age. Well the opposite is true of front 7 guys. The ones that do leave the state and have success also have it much easier than the ones that stay. Why? B/c they are much more likely to be playing around guys who already know how to play against run heavy teams. Their mistakes won't stand out as badly b/c they are around guys who have the reps in that style of D. A Malik Jefferson missing tackles won't stand out b/c he won't be trying to cover for a bunch of guys getting worked over on the first level.
It's not all that different than when Nebraska hired Bill Callahan and he changed Nebraska from an old school triple option to a West Coast offense. By doing that he immediately set himself back b/c the entire Nebraska HS football scene had been running option for years to prepare kids to go to NU. They simply weren't prepared to run the style of offense he wanted to use and ultimately it's what screwed him in the end. The kids just weren't able to shift to a new style of play fast enough.
If Texas HS football was still ground and pound I guarantee we wouldn't be having these defensive issues. It would be ok to miss out on the big time difference makers now and then (like Malik Jefferson) b/c they'd all at least have an idea of what they were supposed to be doing instead of suddenly being thrust into a style of football they have never practiced or played against.
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And if that's truly the problem, we need to figure out a way to properly develop those players because it's unrealistic to think we can go to LA, GA, FL, TN and fill out an entire defense with the caliber of athlete we can from Texas.
You want to fix our defensive woes? Get Texas HS coaches to stop playing first to 70 points wins. It's no coincidence that defense basically died for teams that use Texas for the bulk of their recruiting once HUNH spread completely took over.
Sure you'll get a team that has an ok run fora couple of years now and then.
But by and large defense is never going to be killer unless you absolutely nail it on the kids you think are difference makers or start to really hit it big recruiting in the other Gulf Coast states.
I'd say the odds of trying to pluck the average to above average kids from Mississippi and Louisiana are better than developing average to above average kids from Texas who only know how to "defend" HUNH spread w/what is essentially bend, bend, bend, and hope for turnovers.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:24 pm to Dr RC
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You want to fix our defensive woes? Get Texas HS coaches to stop playing first to 70 points wins. It's no coincidence that defense basically died for teams that use Texas for the bulk of their recruiting once HUNH spread took over.
This is not going to happen. At least not until you have a coach who has a Saban or Meyer type rep that holds that much power which is not happening any time soon (and the same goes for Texas as well)
I am fine with going after kids in the Deep South like we are now, but you're going to have to fill out a good portion of defensive two deep from TX. DBs are absolutely not a problem in TX IMO, and I think the edge pass rushers in state are pretty good as well. Perhaps we need to go more Deep South at DT and LB than we already are though, or do a better job of finding and targeting specific programs in TX where they play physical football. I think this was part of the strategy in going after so many ETX kids honestly but we failed to land several and others like Golden had too much ETX in them.
Going more JUCO at those specific spots might be a solution as well
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:24 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Is it the way we practice?
Chavis gave input and we changed our practices to meet his requests when he came on board
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Is it strength and conditioning?
We made significant changes to S&C this past off-season. So that's not actually a constant.
And interestingly, those same methods are used across sports and our overall S&C program is generally considered one of the top in the country overall. We're considered at the forefront of sports science actually
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:35 pm to tmc94
Interesting. Recruiting doesn't help as RC said, I just don't see any way wholesale changes occur in the style of HS football in state. That part is extremely frustrating
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
this is a big reason why I remain patient. I share you angst, probably more so than the average fan, of our run defense. I've been pretty disappointed in Chavis overall but I can't deny his past success. I can only assume it's a longer process.
But given 4 of our 5 DTs are returning next year, we're adding a JUCO and TD Moton into the mix, we return Dodson, Alaka, and Moore with a couple of high end fish incoming....I'm going to give it time because I'm at a loss to suggest something they haven't tried or aren't trying otherwise.
But given 4 of our 5 DTs are returning next year, we're adding a JUCO and TD Moton into the mix, we return Dodson, Alaka, and Moore with a couple of high end fish incoming....I'm going to give it time because I'm at a loss to suggest something they haven't tried or aren't trying otherwise.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:48 pm to tmc94
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so we're 3rd/4th in our division, no?
Not for long.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:53 pm to tmc94
That's fair. And realistically I know there's no way we do anything this year, so I'll keep an open mind going into next and hope we get talent on NSD because that only benefits us in the long run. But it is frustrating to see the shape Texas and LSU are in and not see us capitalizing on it
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:58 pm to Nguyening
you're missing the point or I didn't make it well.
You started off saying with top 5 talent, we should do better than 3rd/4th in our division. It's a complaint that sounds good on the surface.
But if you frame it we're 3rd/4th in our division in talent and finishing 3rd/4th, then it sounds like we're pretty much exactly where we should be based upon that. Again, doesn't make that our expectations. But it does make the original criticism seem fairly inane.
And no, we're not slipping behind Arky, OM, or MSU in recruiting. In fact, despite our ranking being worse, we're about on par ahead of those 3 than we have been in past years (probably a bit more over OM)
You started off saying with top 5 talent, we should do better than 3rd/4th in our division. It's a complaint that sounds good on the surface.
But if you frame it we're 3rd/4th in our division in talent and finishing 3rd/4th, then it sounds like we're pretty much exactly where we should be based upon that. Again, doesn't make that our expectations. But it does make the original criticism seem fairly inane.
And no, we're not slipping behind Arky, OM, or MSU in recruiting. In fact, despite our ranking being worse, we're about on par ahead of those 3 than we have been in past years (probably a bit more over OM)
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:03 pm to tmc94
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It's not just about 8-5 though. It's about the how and why, and the future projections as well.
Sure we've been 3rd and 4th in our division in total roster talent the past two years. So maybe we "should" lose 2-3 games a year?
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