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Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:10 am to REBEL5 AC
I'm trying to figure that out as well. Jones is about to pull double duty with us being a little thin at WR. We had better matchups with our other DB's against BSU's smaller WR's. You'll see him back when we go up against bigger WR's that fits his style of play better.
but engie doesn't have the ability to think on this level. All he sees is "he didn't play hurr durrr him suck". Even with the loss of Tee and Carlos Davis...we're pretty stacked at defensive back. Wommack isn't exactly happy with him having to split his time with the offense during practice. While I agree with him that he should be practicing solely with the defense, I also remember that Freeze likes to have 8 WR's that he can rotate in at will.
From June of last year.
With us losing Logan, Donte, and Holder from last season, we really need another solid WR to rotate in.
Treadwell
Sanders
Core
Adaboyjoe
Engram(listed as a TE...but so is Jimmy Graham)
...could be missing somebody...but you get the idea.
but engie doesn't have the ability to think on this level. All he sees is "he didn't play hurr durrr him suck". Even with the loss of Tee and Carlos Davis...we're pretty stacked at defensive back. Wommack isn't exactly happy with him having to split his time with the offense during practice. While I agree with him that he should be practicing solely with the defense, I also remember that Freeze likes to have 8 WR's that he can rotate in at will.
From June of last year.
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but they’ll need to feel comfortable with a rotation of six to eight players to get the most out of the offense.
With us losing Logan, Donte, and Holder from last season, we really need another solid WR to rotate in.
Treadwell
Sanders
Core
Adaboyjoe
Engram(listed as a TE...but so is Jimmy Graham)
...could be missing somebody...but you get the idea.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:15 am to engie
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I'm just glad my coaching staff isn't taking "the best corner in the state" and moving him to WR -- leaving my team with a cluster frick at corner that is already relying heavily on a true freshman.
I don't think he's being permanately moved... I think he's providing depth behind our thin WR core. Just getting work in at both.
Perhaps we overestimated him at CB. He showed a ton of promise as a true freshman last year. F off, everyone does it.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:18 am to SouthMSReb
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I don't think he's being permanately moved... I think he's providing depth behind our thin WR core. Just getting work in at both.
this is correct.
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Perhaps we overestimated him at CB. He showed a ton of promise as a true freshman last year. F off, everyone does it.
But only MSU fans are right when they do it...everyone else is wrong.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:48 am to pankReb
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All he sees is "he didn't play hurr durrr him suck"
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Even with the loss of Tee and Carlos Davis
He could be trying him out there just to see. Hell, we only Senquez at CB this year, while losing Core/Sanders/Moore at WR. Maybe it's just simply a look? The way Vandy threw the ball this past weekend, I think we can spare a practice for Jones to flip sides. Freeze has consistently tried players at all kinds of positions.
Best example, Channing Ward. Tried at TE...went back to DE and dominated against Boise.
We also just tried Alford out at QB for a "just incase." I'm going with this being a just incase.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:52 am to pankReb
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With us losing Logan, Donte, and Holder from last season, we really need another solid WR to rotate in.
Treadwell
Sanders
Core
Adaboyjoe
Engram(listed as a TE...but so is Jimmy Graham)
...could be missing somebody...but you get the idea.
Just missing Pack, who had the ball in his hands at some point. I'm drawing a huge blank, but I know he had a catch or return or something. Stats on Rivals doesn't have him with a catch or rush.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:54 am to REBEL5 AC
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Best example, Channing Ward. Tried at TE...went back to DE and dominated against Boise.
pretty sure I remember engie also doing the "hurr durr him suck" shtick with Ward getting a try at TE.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:56 am to REBEL5 AC
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Just missing Pack, who had the ball in his hands at some point. I'm drawing a huge blank, but I know he had a catch or return or something. Stats on Rivals doesn't have him with a catch or rush.
Probably a punt fair catch or two. Our return formation has two people down field. Pretty sure he was the front guy.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:02 am to pankReb
I seem to remember AA in front and Pack behind him. Could be wrong.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:17 am to SouthMSReb
Pack had a return for a few yards. I think a punt.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:20 am to pankReb
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Probably a punt fair catch or two. Our return formation has two people down field. Pretty sure he was the front guy.
I believe Alford was the front man on every return, while Freeze rotated the deep return man...unfortunately, their punter was absolute shite and never made it past Alford.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:21 am to UMRealist
Thanks for the edit. You confused me.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:22 am to REBEL5 AC
I'm wrong. The punter did make it past AA once and it was to Pack.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:32 am to REBEL5 AC
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Yeah, those 4 INT's reallllllllllllllllllllllllly have me worried about our CB's
1 of those int's were by a CB...
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:34 am to DynastyDawg
Ya but it was one handed so....
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:46 am to DynastyDawg
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1 of those int's were by a CB...
Tony Conner.
Plus, Prewitt's was because of great CB play. Our CB play was fantastic. We missed having Denzel and Sederius in the middle. Boise killed us there in the passing game.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:10 am to REBEL5 AC
To be fair, that Boise QB was one of the worst decision makers I've ever seen. Great arm, but man he made some really poor reads.
Your pass defense was very vulnerable, their QB was rocking like an 80% completion rate at the half. Contrary to the apparent belief of some, INT's aren't the best measure of CB play. Yeah you have to take advantage of the poor decisions, but the biggest part of playing CB is forcing incompletions.
Your pass defense was very vulnerable, their QB was rocking like an 80% completion rate at the half. Contrary to the apparent belief of some, INT's aren't the best measure of CB play. Yeah you have to take advantage of the poor decisions, but the biggest part of playing CB is forcing incompletions.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:14 am to UMRealist
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Cluster frick is a bit of an exaggeration. We still have two pretty good corners and by all accounts Webster has been very good early on.
So, you've got 3 corners that can be decent? That's prettymuch a cluster frick. Your margin for error at the position was nonexistent even prior to moving Jones. You are now one injury away from getting totally exposed at the position. Hell, you are one injury away from Kailo being second string. Let that sink in. Even with Webster, who I agree looked good in game 1 -- there are going to be growing pains and moments where he's taken to school as a young guy. I'd be nervous as hell if we had to play Brandon Bryant as our starting NB -- so I'm not just "picking on OM" here...
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Personally (and I don't think it's just bias) I think it has nothing to do with talent with Jones. You don't go from shutting down OBJ and Mike Evans and having the coaching Staff and others praise you the majority of the offseason to being a third stringer behind Cliff fricking Coleman. Idk if he's disgruntled playing defense or what but whatever it is it doesn't make sense.
So what actually happened?
How do you go from a starting corner -- to buried on a depth chart at your deepest position -- and view it as an upgrade?
This kinda shite makes me less and less concerned about Freeze longterm. How do you call Liggins "an NFL quality OL" -- and not have him playing OL with the cluster frick you unleashed week 1? How do you complain about depth at the position in year 3?(I actually know exactly how that happens -- but it didn't stop virtually your entire fanbase from going full retard on Mullen when we lost 2 guys early and then struggled at the spot through 2011).
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:21 am to REBEL5 AC
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huh? Cluster frick? Yeah, those 4 INT's reallllllllllllllllllllllllly have me worried about our CB's.
Gotta love giving CBs credit for 2S and 1DL int...
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Oh, and Webster is a boss. Wouldn't trade him for any MSU DB.
This is why you are a fricking moron.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:26 am to pankReb
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pretty sure I remember engie also doing the "hurr durr him suck" shtick with Ward getting a try at TE.
I just think it's funny how much shite you are throwing against the wall -- and how little is sticking. Every practice Ward spent at TE was a wasted opportunity to get better at his real position.
So -- to recap:
5* DE spends a spring and part of fall at TE
4* ATH that everyone knows only chance at a football future is at OL wasting a full year at QB/TE while you are ridiculously thin at OL
3* diamond that surprised/impressed at CB back to WR leaving you ridiculously thin at corner.
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