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re: Georgia Separating Itself from the East
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:59 pm to ScarletFire
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:59 pm to ScarletFire
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I think the composite matters, you obviously don't.
It matters far less than you think it does because it ignores 2/3's of the story. By throwing in the towel, it appears you accept the flaws I have pointed out.
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:04 pm to djsdawg
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It matters far less than you think it does because it ignores 2/3's of the story
It only measures guys on campus, so it does a decent job. It isn't all-encapsulating (and I never claimed it was), but there aren't any metrics for anything that are.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:10 pm to ScarletFire
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Lots of great college players do little to nothing in the NFL
UGA will likely have only 1 player drafted this April. Name me the last SEC team that legitimately competed for the conference title with that few draft-able players.
Are there good college players that don't get drafted? Sure, but not enough to reasonably expect to have a good team at this level.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:14 pm to Crowknowsbest
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UGA will likely have only 1 player drafted this April. Name me the last SEC team that legitimately competed for the conference title with that few draft-able players. Are there good college players that don't get drafted? Sure, but not enough to reasonably expect to have a good team at this level.
I agree, point was that there are problems using the draft as gospel when determining how good a player is, just as there are problems with recruiting rankings
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:16 pm to ScarletFire
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I agree, point was that there are problems using the draft as gospel when determining how good a player is, just as there are problems with recruiting rankings
I would say that the draft is a much more reliable measure. Not perfect, but you have 3-5 more years of film, maturity, and physical development to judge on.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:25 pm to ScarletFire
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It only measures guys on campus, so it does a decent job.
It does a decent job of telling 33% of the story.
It does a horrific job of telling the other 66%.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:28 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I would say that the draft is a much more reliable measure. Not perfect, but you have 3-5 more years of film, maturity, and physical development to judge on.
Eh, maybe a bit, they are close in terms of accuracy. One is just a much more exclusive process. Most recruiting sites try to emulate the draft, even going to the point of elevating certain players over others despite them being on the same skill level because one plays a more desirable position.
About half the 5 stars end up being good players, and around half of the first rounders end up being good NFL players.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:29 pm to djsdawg
Ok, ignore the rest of what I said because it doesn't fit your narrow-minded, excuse-driven narrative 
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:36 pm to ScarletFire
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point was that there are problems using the draft as gospel when determining how good a player is, just as there are problems with recruiting rankings
In addition to the point crow made.....
If anyone is gonna be the expert, its gonna be the NFL guy rather than the HS internet scout. Neither are perfect, but one is much more highly qualified than the other.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:42 pm to djsdawg
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If anyone is gonna be the expert, its gonna be the NFL guy rather than the HS internet scout.
Lets say both scouts could do their jobs perfectly and could accurately predict every player's future at each level. Lamar Jackson would be one of the first players taken if there were a theoretical draft of all of the guys in college right now when they came out of high school. Would he be one of the first players taken in the NFL draft after being scouted by the 'perfect' NFL scout? Doesn't mean one is more qualified than the other, just means each job is a little different. Plus, if NFL scouts are so qualified, why aren't the teams perennially in the top 5-10 in the draft like Cleveland and LA competitors by now? All of those qualified scouts would surely have drafted some gamechangers with such high picks
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:42 pm to ScarletFire
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Ok, ignore the rest of what I said because it doesn't fit your narrow-minded, excuse-driven narrative
Accusing me of being narrow minded? That doesnt even come close to making sense. You are the one that refuses to acknowledge the importance of experience and distribution of talent on a roster, not me.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:43 pm to djsdawg
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refuses to acknowledge the importance of experience and distribution of talent on a roster, not me.
False.
I said it matters, its just not an absolute determinant of success either.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:20 pm to ScarletFire
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Are you insinuating that there aren't a lot of very good freshmen and sophomores in the country?
How did you reach this conclusion after I said "many stars either aren't eligible or simply won't go"?
I literally stated the opposite idea of what you concluded.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:20 pm to ScarletFire
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So you just admitted that the staff did what they could after missing on guys?
Why wouldnt I? That has nothing to do with the point either way. What matters is that it was a bottom heavy class.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:23 pm to ScarletFire
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I said it matters, its just not an absolute determinant of success either.
The combo of Talent + Experience + Equal distribution of talent is much more conducive to a teams success than Talent + Inexperience + unequal distribution of talent is.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:33 pm to tiger perry
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What's the deal with Florida. McElwain can't recruit?
Pretty much-- this was largely known when he was hired, it was assumed he'd fix it with strong recruiting hires but then he went out and signed up Nuss and Collins. Collins you can maybe forgive (hell, you could even argue its smart- hire a good x and o guy on the other side of the ball and delegate it entirely), Nuss was a warning sign-- why would a guy who supposedly is a Spurrier/Petrino level offensive genius hire a man who had been fired from his previous two postings and couldn't recruit- hell making someone like D. Craig the OC in name only would have made more sense.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:39 pm to whatkindanameiskirby
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Butch is a dipshite and Mcelwain can't recruit. The future is looking bright if Kirby can improve in game coaching.
This is so "Sunshine Pumping Florida fan in 2011 or 2012" it hurts.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 6:58 pm to montanagator
Really funny UGA fans think Kirby even has the potential to be the coach Meyer, Saban, Petersen or Harbaugh is. Kirby is so much closer to Muschamp and Strong and less than McElwain.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:26 pm to MustangGTech
All better coaches than Paul Johnson.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:43 pm to MustangGTech
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UGA fans think Kirby even has the potential to be the coach Meyer, Saban, Petersen or Harbaugh is. Kirby is so much closer to Muschamp and Strong and less than McElwain.
Its gonna be hard to be as good of a coach as that top 4 you named, but hopefully talent is able to overcome whatever weakness' he may have.
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