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re: Alabama lands transfer Jordan Bruner, 6-9 PF from Yale (#9 transfer for 2020 per ESPN)

Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:09 pm to
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:09 pm to
He’s a better scorer, much better rebounder, better ball-handler, better shooter, and better defender
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:15 pm to
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better scorer
absolutely not

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much better rebounder
yes, against Ivy competition, but I'll give you this one

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better ball-handler
odd skill to pick since they're PFs

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better shooter
OK. Not like you really want either actually shooting

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better defender
Again, against Ivy competition
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:16 pm to
Don't let the grad transfer hype fool you; John Fulkerson is a better player than Jordan Bruner

(not trying to shite on Bruner or the significance of this pickup, just commenting on the direct comparison)
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 11:17 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:23 pm to
Fulkerson, behind Richards and Perry, might've been the third best frontcourt player in the conference at the end of this season

He shat all over our frontcourt in Knoxville and I have PTSD from it
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:24 pm to
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absolutely not


Shooting is part of scoring and he’s a much more versatile scorer. Fulkerson also didn’t have to play next to another big who scored 17 ppg.

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yes, against Ivy competition, but I'll give you this one


He had 17/15/5 against UNC

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better ball-handler


It means he can rebound and run a fast break himself

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OK. Not like you really want either actually shooting


Bruner shot 32% on 3.5 attempts so actually you do, especially in our system.

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Again, against Ivy competition


You can say this all you want but he dominated defensively against UNC and other competition. He’s very clearly a better defender and shot-blocker
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:27 pm to
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Don't let the grad transfer hype fool you; John Fulkerson is a better player than Jordan Bruner


He’s not. Bruner is better at literally every part of the game except scoring and even that is debatable
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:30 pm to
You know, one could also say Jordan Bruner is a better rebounder, shooter, and ball handler than Nick Richards
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:32 pm to
And you would be correct in saying that.
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:34 pm to
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And you would be correct in saying that.
But you would be incorrect in saying Jordan Bruner is a better player than Nick Richards, and if you contest, then you're clearly either not thinking straight or are a straight-up moron
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:36 pm to
Bruner grades out better in the skills competition than Fulkerson, but Fulkerson is likely going to be First-Team All-SEC while Bruner won't be

Not everything in basketball can be graded in that way. Fulkerson has shown the ability to take over games at the SEC level. No one is taking Bruner over him
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:37 pm to
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But you would be incorrect in saying Jordan Bruner is a better player than Nick Richards, and if you contest, then you're clearly either not thinking straight or are a straight-up moron


What’s your point? Nobody thinks he’s a better player
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:39 pm to
That judging players on a 2k-esque skills scale is highly fallible

Bruner was never really the type to take over a game, even at Yale. Fulkerson might not have the secondary skills of Bruner but I'll take him over Bruner in a heartbeat, and I truly have no dog in this fight
Posted by Crimsontide1713
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:39 pm to
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Bruner grades out better in the skills competition than Fulkerson, but Fulkerson is likely going to be First-Team All-SEC while Bruner won't be


Next season?

I’d say Bruner has a very good shot to be All-SEC

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Not everything in basketball can be graded in that way. Fulkerson has shown the ability to take over games at the SEC level. No one is taking Bruner over him


Again, he had 17/15/5/4 blocks against UNC...
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:39 pm to
Meant pre-season

UNC sucked arse...
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:41 pm to
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That judging players on a 2k-esque skills scale is highly fallible


So let’s judge them on the fact that Bruner is literally better at every part of the game except for post scoring.

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Bruner was never really the type to take over a game, even at Yale. Fulkerson might not have the secondary skills of Bruner but I'll take him over Bruner in a heartbeat, and I truly have no dog in this fight


Nope. Fulkerson is a good scorer but he’s a much worse rebounder, passer, and defender.
Posted by Crimsontide1713
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:44 pm to
UNC sucked arse because Anthony was injured...

Anyway that wouldn’t have affected Bruner in any way. 5 star Armando Bacot and Garrison Brooks still played and Bruner dominated them
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 11:45 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:50 pm to
I had a long post written out about which skills translate from the Ivy to the SEC and which don't, and which skills are even important for post players and which aren't, but it was getting long. I decided it's not worth it.

Tl;dr of that post: Bruner is a better rebounder than Fulkerson. That's a nice skill. Fulkerson has superior game-altering abilities with superior length, athleticism, and interior skill. Fulkerson is also proven at this level. While Bruner might have better secondary skills, Fulkerson is the better player because of his ability to take over a game at this level. Bruner was never a game-changer offensively, even in the Ivy.

Night!
Posted by Crimsontide1713
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:51 pm to
Sure, if you ignore the fact that Bruner took over against UNC...
Posted by GatorsGators
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 11:57 pm to
Fulkerson averaged 15.1 points in SEC play.

Bruner averaged 9.4 points in Ivy play.

Not really sure what to tell you. Bruner is about as good of a pickup as you can get in the grad transfer market but not many are taking him over Fulkerson.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:55 am to
Bruner averaged 11pts 9rebs against P5 teams the last 2 season. With the way Bama scores the ball I will take it.
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