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re: 5 star WR Jadon Haselwood decommits from Georgia

Posted on 10/4/18 at 9:52 am to
Posted by DaronTexas
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Posted on 10/4/18 at 9:52 am to
Can get that in the big twelve. Sec is a run first league.
Posted by ExpoTiger
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:21 pm to
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That's usually code for us backing away...


Regardless, I’m not “top wr in the country” impressed. Pickens and Wease are both better imo
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:27 pm to
Per Georgia247 mod Rusty Mansell, VOLS picking up steam here

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Been on the road the last few weeks and spent a lot of time in the Atlanta area.

One thing I think I was not sure of, was how much Tennessee was a factor with Jadon Haselwood? I can promise you they are a team that has made a move here in my opinion.

I do think that Miami is a team I would still consider the leader as of right now, with UGA in it still as well. But I would watch Tennessee and how much he is on campus in Knoxville over the next month and half.
Posted by ATLdawg25
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:17 pm to
I don't understand his recruitment. He decommitted because we weren't throwing the ball down the field enough...but Tennessee has a worse passing offense than UGA, even though UT has been losing in basically every game and HAD to throw.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:19 pm to
Hopefully we are paying more than Kirby
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:20 pm to
We have the same problem with *5 Crouch. He shits on us for being bad but likes Tennessee
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:37 pm to
Big goon Crouch has recently turned into a Clemson lock iirc
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:48 pm to
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One thing I think I was not sure of, was how much Tennessee was a factor with Jadon Haselwood? I can promise you they are a team that has made a move here in my opinion.


So he's full of shite that he wants to be featured in an offense since the three teams listed after UGA have a worse one than us
Posted by Buster180
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 7:39 pm to
Maybe he sees footballs bouncing off of Josh Palmer's chest and knows he can be featured day 1.
Posted by TrackEm_Tigers
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:40 am to
Laughable that you think Auburn is not in this race
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:31 am to
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So he's full of shite that he wants to be featured in an offense since the three teams listed after UGA have a worse one than us


FWIW, we are 13th in the SEC and 112th nationally in Passing Attempts per game.

So you can maybe see where the concern is... until you also see that...

Tennessee is 11th in the SEC and 107th nationally with only 1.4 attempts/game more than UGA.

Oklahoma comes in at a whopping 2.3 more attempts/game at 101st nationally.

Miami... 3.9 more attempts/game at 92nd nationally.


Almost all of those advantages shrink a bit when you move to completions per game as well. Oklahoma stays the same. Miami is 2 LESS completions/game. Tennessee completes 0.2 more passes/game.

If he truly wants opportunities, the only one of his top teams that can really claim to have a sizable advantage appears to be Auburn with 7.3 more attempts/game this year which is 66th nationally (only 3 more completions/game). The problem there, is that is not representative of their norm. In 2017 they averaged 26.5 attempts/game... 2 more than UGA has averaged this season. It's a byproduct of being behind in more games and not having a particularly viable running game. Not to mention that the QB situation is not particularly solid for 2019... It would be difficult to bank on that situation remaining consistent.


As unbiased as I can be, if I was Jadon, my top 3 would probably be 1a) Oklahoma, 1b) Georgia, 2) Miami... just taking into account his desire for targets, atmosphere, and everything else he's mentioned.

Oklahoma scheme will take more shots downfield against worse secondaries... Lincoln Riley would not waste his talents.

Georgia will probably better prepare him for the NFL *but* not get him quite the amount of gaudy statistics that he could have in the Big XII. He likes the players there and will have opportunities to compete against more talented secondaries... both in practice and in games. If he is as good as everyone thinks he is, this is a huge benefit.

Miami has a few things... One, he likes the south beach Miami "lifestyle" vibe. You can't really manufacture that anywhere else. Secondarily, Mark Richt has proven in the past that while he likes to spread the ball around, if you give him a generational talent at WR, he will press that button a lot. Concerns there would be in consistent QB play and will there be enough protection on the OL to take downfield shots.

Beyond that, not really sure...
Auburn - even with the win last week, there is just so much turmoil there. How much longer will Malzahn be the coach? Do you want to go and find out?

Tennessee - improving team under Pruitt IMO, but has been down long enough to be pretty unattractive to QB targets. Question of getting the ball to him with consistency. If they can attract a high profile QB target, could easily see them "jumping the line" into serious player status.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:52 am to
Our QB commit is ~top 400 and threw for nearly 4k his senior season.

Our lack of passing is solely down to what might be the worst offensive line in SEC history, which is hopefully remedied when we bring in the top 2 tackles in this class.


Don’t think we’re that much of a player with Haselwood though, unless we manage to flip Pappoe and the two Grayson kids can persuade him. David Johnson is an elite WR coach so who knows
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 11:41 am to
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Our QB commit is ~top 400 and threw for nearly 4k his senior season.


Not that I think he's bad, but he's 31st overall when you account for Dual and Pro QBs, and that's before you account for ATH's that will also end up QBs. It's not exactly moving the needle at the position...

Couple that with your point on the OL though, and it's a lot of work to be done to get the passing game where you want it. If anything, it almost seems like a poor fit to grab a less mobile QB if the OL is likely to still be a problem, but I think Pruitt is smart enough to get things moving in a positive direction... just don't know if it will be far enough for the Vol faithful in a short period.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:18 pm to
Maurer finished 5th of all QBs at either the elite 11 or rivals 5* Challenge, can’t remember which. He’s also moved up nearly 300 spots since committing to us over WVU (who’ve had better QB play under Dana than just about every SEC program), and had a committable offer to OSU as well.

Our OL will be fine once Lyle’s 270lb project takes are filtered out of the program, and I’d expect it to be substantially better next year with the top 2 OTs in America holding down LT and RT, even without Trey Smith.


And I don’t remember asking what you thought of Pruitt baw
Posted by Rhino5
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:39 pm to
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Auburn - even with the win last week, there is just so much turmoil there. How much longer will Malzahn be the coach? Do you want to go and find out?

Well he did sign a 7 year deal, and our AD came out and said Malzahn is here in 2019.

Auburn also ranks 6th in the conference in passing attempts and has 2 true freshman who have 6 TD's, 30 receptions, and about 600 yards between them. Not bad for a couple of kids who were at their high school prom 7 months ago.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:18 pm to
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And I don’t remember asking what you thought of Pruitt baw


I don't recall asking if you did... baw...

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Our OL will be fine once Lyle’s 270lb project takes are filtered out of the program, and I’d expect it to be substantially better next year with the top 2 OTs in America holding down LT and RT, even without Trey Smith.


If you say so. I will always assume that fans of other schools know their own program than I do until proven otherwise. Just don't spend enough time evaluating your roster, incoming recruits, etc.

Who is the second "top OT in America" in that equation? I assume #1 is the incoming recruit Wanya Morris?

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Maurer finished 5th of all QBs at either the elite 11 or rivals 5* Challenge, can’t remember which. He’s also moved up nearly 300 spots since committing to us over WVU (who’ve had better QB play under Dana than just about every SEC program), and had a committable offer to OSU as well.


Assuming you're talking about this.

"committable offer to OSU" is a bit of a loose definition there, no?
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:23 pm to
Darnell Wright.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Well he did sign a 7 year deal, and our AD came out and said Malzahn is here in 2019.


Right... And prior to this week, the assumption was that Auburn may be willing to buy him out for 30+ million. How much safety can you reasonably assume as a recruit for the coach you are electing to play for when it takes a last minute come from behind win over A&M to get the support of the AD?

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Auburn also ranks 6th in the conference in passing attempts

Which I essentially pointed out in my post, no?
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If he truly wants opportunities, the only one of his top teams that can really claim to have a sizable advantage appears to be Auburn with 7.3 more attempts/game this year which is 66th nationally (only 3 more completions/game). The problem there, is that is not representative of their norm. In 2017 they averaged 26.5 attempts/game... 2 more than UGA has averaged this season. It's a byproduct of being behind in more games and not having a particularly viable running game. Not to mention that the QB situation is not particularly solid for 2019... It would be difficult to bank on that situation remaining consistent.

They do have a sizable advantage in passing attempts. But it is not historically in line with what Gus has done, so it would be a bit misguided to assume it to become the new normal with a new QB in 2019.

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and has 2 true freshman who have 6 TD's, 30 receptions, and about 600 yards between them. Not bad for a couple of kids who were at their high school prom 7 months ago.


Not really a selling point is it? 2 True freshmen with that kind of production equals a more difficult to navigate depth chart. Not that I think Jadon is terribly concerned on that front, but your comment seems to imply that it's a good thing.

Not trying to shite on Auburn or trash Gus, just discussing the realistic pros/cons for the teams that seem to be in consideration. At this point, I don't have a lot of faith that he *will* re-select UGA... but if he doesn't pick Oklahoma, he probably *should* strongly reconsider Athens as a destination.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:29 pm to
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Darnell Wright.


Gotcha. So you just meant top 2019 OT recruits. I follow.

Thought you were implying that Wanya + someone on campus were going to be the best OTs in college football in 2019... which I wouldn't rule out as complete impossibilities... ya never know. But would certainly be stretching to say that's the expectation.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
Member since Oct 2018
8718 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:45 pm to
Had Trey Smith not died we could’ve gone into 2019 with 3 Top-2 OTs, a nice little collection considering we have lost every game the past 2 annums.
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