re: Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.

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If you honestly think AD Tanner did a good job here in this hiring process then I would suggest taking the rose colored glasses off.

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Ray Tanner's search was not perfect, not by a long shot ... but you completely failed to offer reflection on those parts of his search which were imperfect, instead you chose to try to baffle everyone with your bullshite.

Where Tanner failed was with the PR of his process.

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As for your personal attacks I'll offer that those reflect more upon you, the way you feel about yourself, other problems that you're having that have absolutely nothing to do with me. Absolutely nothing to do with me.

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Nice try at deflection management numbnuts. You started a thread on a fricking Internet board touting your great experience and expertise .... then you proceeded to illustrate what an ignorant know-nothing you were, and still are, about the process in which you chose to offer your uninformed opinion.

If anyone is speaking in this thread, about someone personally, it is you speaking about your own fricktardedness. I'm still lulzing inside ... I cannot imagine a human being being this hubristic as to claim expertise and then proving his own ignorance.

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My impetus to write this post was when I realized I might be able to offer some insight.

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You offered insight into propensity to spread random bullshite. You offered insight into the gullibility of most know-nothing shite-turds pursuing this board ... especially the ones that sucked-up to you in this thread. You offered insight into the inherent problems with the Internet, social media and un-checked rumor mongering that pervades every aspect of our existence in this modern world ... and how ridiculous it has become.

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The coaching search was not handled well by your AD. That's all.

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And you are entitled to your fricktarded uninformed opinion. It's a free country.

I'll ask you again, who should Tanner have hired if not Muschamp?

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I should start by saying that I have a background as an executive recruiter and search consultant. I am also passionate about SEC football. This is what I think happened:

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So you're a recruiter ... one of what, a few million in today's fricked-up HR overzealous business world? You're illustrative of what is wrong with this country these days. You stalk the Internet, relying mostly on LinkedIn, looking for candidates that may or may not fit a certain criteria someone is looking for, then give them a call hoping to talk them into interviewing for said position ... when, in essence, what you really do is throw a dart at a wall and play a numbers game hoping one of them will stick.

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I'm fairly certain that Ray Tanner used a search firm for this coaching opening. If he didn't he definitely should have and his results might have been different. If he did use a search firm - they absolutely dropped the ball when it came to Herman.

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He used Bob Beaudine of Eastman-Beaudine ... whose dick you would suck to garner for a chance to be an intern. You also don't know dick about how the search went-down, so that makes you a dick for being an assumptive prick and starting this bullshite thread.

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The most important skill a search consultant has is the ability to ask questions to determine a possible candidate's motivations for making a move. Why are they looking elsewhere at other opportunities? What is wrong with their current position? Are they only motivated by money? It's only by asking these questions that you can QUALIFY a candidate. What does that mean?

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Oh sheeesh, stfu.

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Nick Saban is obviously qualified to coach college football but he's definitely not a qualified candidate for the CAROLINA opening. Why? Simply because he's not motivated to actually make a move to USCe. He doesn't want to. Herman is also a qualified college coach, however, he was not qualified as a candidate for Carolina. He was literally not qualified by the search consultant. The search consultant didn't do their job by asking the right questions. If he/she would have determined the truth initially they wouldn't have wasted time with Herman.

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I guess that's why he met with Tanner or the 27th and 28th of November down in Houston at Gamecock alumni's Bob McNair's home? Sheeeeesh ... you're a know-nothing fricktard. What are you, 31 maybe? Been recruiting for how long, three years max because you failed at actually doing? What do they say about recruiters in today's modern professional world ... if you can't do, recruit those who can and do?

BTW, Beaudine knew Herman personally and has helped place both him at Houston and Fuente at Memphis.

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Herman was job shopping- not because he necessarily wanted to move to Carolina but because he may have wanted some leverage to negotiate his new contract at Houston. My bet is that his agent knows how these things work. USCe was used to increase his value as a coach in the open talent market and they got played as a result. As a recruiter we were taught to uncover the TRUE motivating factors for a move and then we were taught to cover counter-offers early and often. This was not done. Therefore, thanks to USCe (and their search firm) Mr. Herman got a great raise at Houston and Carolina scrambled in the end to land Mr. Boom.

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You would lose the bet.

Herman reached-out initially, because he was interested and because Urban Meyer had told him the SCAR job was one he may want to consider. Meyer and Tanner also talked. Tanner and Herman spoke in great length on several occasions. What transpired during the course of the search was a series of unfortunate events from SCAR's perspective.

1 - LSU/Les Miles' situation arose whereas LSU became a possibility for Herman ... the perfect situation for him actually. But LSU wanted Jimbo, who withdrew his name from consideration almost immediately, then the fans got behind Les and that was that for Herman ... but it changed his perspective because now he started hearing he would be next in line for the Texas job. Around that time SCAR lost to The Citadel and Herman withdrew his name from the SCAR search.

Fuente had failed to vet-out which is why he instantly became a no-go for every SEC program, once word spread, and he jumped on the Va Tech job with provisions that he retain certain members of the current staff.

Kirby Smart was next in line for SCAR ... but the UGA/Richt episode took him off the board.

Rich Rodriquez had been lobbying for the job and even submitted a formal resume which, if you are such a great fricking recruiter you are aware of the EEOC HR requirements for most state funded institutions regarding obligatory interviews once a qualified candidate has applied ... I mean you are aware of those laws, correct?

Rich Rod was never offered the job. The only mistake Tanner made was not handling the PR correctly with regard to the Rich Rod lie.

Lincoln Riley had also applied and was considered a serious candidate and an informal interview was done ... but he was too young and there were serious questions about him being able to assemble a staff.

Muschamp became the logical choice for obvious reasons.

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This is all simply my informed opinion.

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lulz

Yours was, potentially, one of the most uninformed opinions I remember seeing on any topic of interest in my life. I've seen and heard complete and utter bullshite many times, but I cannot remember one ever being so full of complete and utter bullshite, while claiming the bonefides to offer such an opinion, as yours.

I'll bet you were a helluva used car salesman in your 20s though huh?

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I haven't talked about Muschamp really at all as a coach. It's not about my opinion on Boom.

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Wait ... if Tanner screwed the pooch on the search and "settled" for Muschamp ... then it's not about Muschamp?

Oh, I see. I'll ask you again slick, who should Tanner have hired?

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I kinda like his fire as compared to our old Coach Valium (CMR). Furthermore, I haven't compared him to Smart at Georgia.

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Oh sheeesh, thanks for that I guess. For sparing us the comparison to your hire. lulz ... I bet that would be interesting to dissect.

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One search was handled correctly and quickly. The other was botched. Again, this is only the way that I see it.

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UGA's search was, pardon the analogy, shooting a duck on the pond. If Smart was a SCAR alum, so would have ours been equally simple.

UGA performed no search you dumb frick ... they reached-out, made a couple of calls, and were the beneficiaries (at least from a replacement perspective) of having an alum in the right place at the right time ... the "right time" of course being facilitated by firing Richt at the right time, before SCAR could hire Smart.

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You are talking about something you know nothing about. You are describing human resources and staff level "recruiting."

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I'm describing you recruiting leeches in general. You are used car salesmen who feed off the accomplishments of others. You're no different than a car salesman who accumulates an inventory and then fills a need based upon a potential buyer's requirements or specifications. Do they need a truck? What color? What are the load or towing requirements? MPG requirements? Emission specs? Clearance specs? Standard or automatic?

That's all you do except your inventory is LinkedIn and you spend most of your time stalking LinkedIn and Facebook and Indeed looking for some sucker who may be having a bad day at their current place of employment who you can lie to and tell them they will make more money elsewhere.

During your down-time you post bullshite about your special expertise on message boards. I can only imagine how long you've waited for the perfect storm of coaching vacancies in the SEC to happen so that you could have your 15 minutes of ... attention, or whatever it is.

Just go back to being a SEC fan and stop with the judgmental bullshite and, oh yeah, while I am thinking about it ... rivalry application denied. Your yankee hatred for SCAR is showing.

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Read the whole thread. Limit caffeine intake and perhaps ask CMR where he got his Valium from. You need some.

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I read the whole thread ... it is disgusting how you pass yourself off as an expert in the process. And again I stress your argument was immediately shot-down by the fact that the first thing Tanner did, the very first person he visited ... was flying to Plano Texas and hiring Bob Beaudine. You wanna see the flight log for SCAR's AD aircraft shite turd?

Just stfu. Little snot-nosed modern day fricks like you are what is wrong with this country these days.

I've hired and fired more people in my life than you've got anal warts on your dick. I used a head-hunter twice in my career, to fill positions within my organization ... and both times they ended up selling me people who were not as they were presented. Neither worked-out.

My wife, who is head of HR North America and Pacific Rim for one of the ten largest multi-nationals in the world has to deal with fricktards like you on an almost daily basis ... and she despises you people for what you are nearly as badly as do I. Not to mention the number of calls and emails she receives from you people on an hourly basis.

My Sister-in-Law, one of the most prized lobbyists in D.C., (the third most despised profession in modern America behind lawyers and head-hunters), goes through the same bullshite from you people on an equally as frequent basis. Matter of fact, she just moved from one industry to another, (a move that will officially take place in January), and already she is receiving emails from the same firm for her to consider yet another position with another industry ... so you people seem to encourage disloyalty and dishonor at an unprecedented rate even for our modern fricked-up white collar world.

Just stfu idiot. You started a thread, made an OP, that was so ridiculously inaccurate that it may just take the cake for bullshite I have witnessed on this board.

This board is for entertainment purposes, for fun, for talking football ... your OP was just plain lying-assed bullshite.

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I used a head-hunter twice in my career, to fill positions within my organization ... and both times they ended up selling me people who were not as they were presented. Neither worked-out.

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Ahhh.... this explains it.
Now I see where your butthurt comes from.

Carry on sir.

And, BTW, I'm a son of confederate veterans from Georgia so you can take your yankee prejudice to the psychiatrist with you when you go discuss why you are so angry with headhunters.

I never did business with your angry arse so you can rant at ME all you want. It's called displaced anger.

The last words I have for you are: you can bump my thread all day long with your anger, hate, and unhappiness.... perhaps then I'll get the "attention" you seem to think I'm looking for. I will, however, not be responding to your ignorant arse again. Get help.

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Actually what I'm saying is that time was wasted on a candidate without motivation - time that could have been focused in a better direction especially considering that Carolina had the opening much earlier than most.

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Again, the question remains, who?

Forget all the facts of the matter which you seem to refuse to accept.

Who should Tanner have focused-on early in the process?

There were three hot names from the get-go.

The first thing Tanner did was hire Bob Beaudine to personally handle the search firm aspects of the hire. He flew to Plano, met with Beaudine, then went to Houston and the process began ...

1 - Herman ... Herman reached out to SCAR, followed by conversations between both Tanner and Herman and Tanner and Urban Meyer. A ftf meeting took place.

2 - Fuente ... but he failed to vet-out and immediately became aware that his stock was dropping because of that fact, especially within the SEC. Va Tech didn't care and he immediately jumped while the jumping was good for him. So Tanner never officially pursued Fuente past the vetting process.

3 - Smart ... yet Tanner never officially pursued Smart because it became apparent UGA was inevitably going to hire Smart.

There are also the NCAA rules regarding making contact with prospective coaches during the course of a season.

There is the unwritten protocol, adhered-to by most athletic departments, with regard to interfering with a coach during the course of a season. Especially a coach in the midst of an undefeated season where huge sums of money, national perception and bowl implications are on the line.

The other prospective candidates we've covered ad nauseam. One was simply too young and inexperienced, the other two were obligatory interviews to meet certain EEOC requirements.

So again, bless us with your bountiful expertise from a hindsight is 20-20 point-of-view and in your now-informed (finally) opinion. What should Tanner have done differently other than handle the optics, the PR, of the search differently?

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Ahhh.... this explains it.
Now I see where your butthurt comes from.

Carry on sir.

And, BTW, I'm a son of confederate veterans from Georgia so you can take your yankee prejudice to the psychiatrist with you when you go discuss why you are so angry with headhunters.

I never did business with your angry arse so you can rant at ME all you want. It's called displaced anger.

The last words I have for you are: you can bump my thread all day long with your anger, hate, and unhappiness.... perhaps then I'll get the "attention" you seem to think I'm looking for. I will, however, not be responding to your ignorant arse again. Get help.

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More deflection management fricktard.

meh

Exactly as I thought ... someone called you on your bullshite and you hide behind more bullshite.

At least you're consistent with your used-car salesman bullshite ... which is what makes them, and you, good liars evidently.

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I started to reply to your reasonable post that was written by a gentleman and before I could respond you launched verbal attacks again.

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That's his thing, it's not going to change. Just be glad he's posting less pictures of men kissing these days. There was a stretch where he came out of the closet in the oddest way you can imagine.

He is setting the information straight. The major problem with the coaching search is all the bull shite that is just made up. This thread is a great example of it. The media has gotten so lazy that they just report what ever is tweeted to them or what the read on internet forums.

This is the answer to your question.

I'm an executive search consultant (read-not headhunter or recruiter). I'm an EXECUTIVE SEARCH CONSULTANT in a very particular industry. I will bring you EXECUTIVES that manage millions of dollars.

I'm not a college football coach search consultant. Read the whole thread. I'm ALSO not some recruiter that you suggest "combs LinkedIn". That's not me Sir. I make phone calls to people I know.

This thread - which I wrote and you're reading was about the PROCESS....

I'm not here to tell you WHO Tanner should have hired.

There's your answer.