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re: The "We Are Alabama" Factor?
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:12 pm to Tiger Phil
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:12 pm to Tiger Phil
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Beginning in 1983:
Wins: Alabama - 214, LSU - 189
SEC West Championships: Alabama - 7, LSU - 4
SEC Championships: LSU - 5, Alabama - 3
National Championships: LSU - 2, Alabama - 1
You have us on wins and SEC West Championships, but LSU has you on the championships that matter.
Which holds more value?
You're counting the best stretch ever in the history of LSU football and the worst in the history of Alabama football.
What happens when you go from '83-'00? It looks a lot different doesn't it.
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Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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not at all. Read the rest, dipshit.
I did read it. Bear bryant did in fact coach at Alabama. All the ifs ands and buts ain't gonna change that. LSU's best coach ever is at Bama now and I think getting him was luck, but it happened.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Sheesh...
I was just trying to point out that since Paul Bryant coached his last game at Alabama, LSU has won more championships than has Alabama.
Thought I was tracking with ya...
I was just trying to point out that since Paul Bryant coached his last game at Alabama, LSU has won more championships than has Alabama.
Thought I was tracking with ya...
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:15 pm to LuckyLee
Think scholarship limits and recruiting violations. The first is what killed the Bear Bryant era and brought things back to normal because Alabama could no longer pay all the best players in the Southeast to sit the bench. Recruiting violations is what nearly killed Alabama after Stallings won the NC and what will eventually kill your program again after Saban skips town.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:15 pm to Alahunter
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1909 - 1995 Lsu had 3 , 10+ win seasons.
1909 - 1995 Bama had 24, 10+ win seasons.
Bear did not coach 86 years.
I'm really not trying to compare the two or get into the same kind of argument TigerPhil is.
All I'm saying is that there isn't anything inherently "better" about Alabama as compared to most other major SEC programs that entitles you to anything.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:16 pm to Tigerark
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Think scholarship limits and recruiting violations. The first is what killed the Bear Bryant era and brought things back to normal because Alabama could no longer pay all the best players in the Southeast to sit the bench. Recruiting violations is what nearly killed Alabama after Stallings won the NC and what will eventually kill your program again after Saban skips town.
Why didn't LSU do the same thing that Bryant did? It wasn't against the rules, you could've done the same.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:17 pm to LuckyLee
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You're counting the best stretch ever in the history of LSU football and the worst in the history of Alabama football.
What happens when you go from '83-'00? It looks a lot different doesn't it.
You also are forgetting that these years include the worst ever stretch of football for LSU. Even including us taking nearly a decade off from being truly competitive, we still have outperformed you for quite a while.
And oh yeah, what if instead of deleted the 2000s, we deleted the 90s. WOW, would that look different!
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:17 pm to LuckyLee
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LSU's best coach ever is at Bama now
One of the best, sure but I don't know if I would say hands down.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:19 pm to LuckyLee
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Why didn't LSU do the same thing that Bryant did? It wasn't against the rules, you could've done the same.
We did do it to an extent, we won a lot of games and kept a lot of programs down also, Cholly Mac just wasn't as good at it as Da Behr.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Hows the "Brady" factor going at ASU? 
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:19 pm to Tiger Phil
Dude LSU was nothing more than a pretty good football program before Saban. Alabama has been a great program for a long time.
You're the one who brought up the periodic statistics. There's no doubt that LSU has been better from 2000-present. Other than that, the discrepancy between the 2 programs is lopsided.
You're the one who brought up the periodic statistics. There's no doubt that LSU has been better from 2000-present. Other than that, the discrepancy between the 2 programs is lopsided.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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All I'm saying is that there isn't anything inherently "better" about Alabama as compared to most other major SEC programs that entitles you to anything.
Except the overall history of the program, the overall championships it has, the winningest bowl record in the NCAA and the overall best program in the SEC. You're right, this does not entitle us to things. But it does influence things and when a program acheives this, then things are expected to happen and reasonable folks know that it takes hard work to attain them and that is what is Alabama football.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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We did do it to an extent, we won a lot of games and kept a lot of programs down also, Cholly Mac just wasn't as good at it as Da Behr.
Right. Everyone was playing by the same rules (or lack there of), Bama just did it better.
Tigerark is a weak arse hater anyways though. How's that 2nd straight loss to Arky feel bitch?
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:21 pm to LuckyLee
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Dude LSU was nothing more than a pretty good football program before Saban.
Even pre-Saban we had a better history than 108 out of 120 D-I schools.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
HELL NO. LSU wasn't a top 12 program pre Saban. You're dreaming. LSU was ~20 I'd guess, but it's late and I'm not gonna look it up.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I saw Scoop talking to another Bama fan in the RR thread about this. He basically said that Alabama would exceed expectations and go (at worst) 10-2 next season in a "rebuilding year" because of some mythic "We are Alabama" effect that presupposes that the Tide will win more games than other programs in similar situations simply because "We are Alabama"
Thats the biggest crock of shite I've ever heard. Pure delusion. They think the college football world revolves around them. They will struggle next season without an experienced QB. They'll come crashing back to earth.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:24 pm to LuckyLee
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You're the one who brought up the periodic statistics. There's no doubt that LSU has been better from 2000-present. Other than that, the discrepancy between the 2 programs is lopsided.
Certainly. There's no doubt that over the entire scope of history of college football, Alabama is a better program than LSU. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.
But even though you have glorious history, that does not give you some special consideration when taking the field, and I believe that's what DS was trying to state in this thread.
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LSU was nothing more than a pretty good football program
If by "pretty good", you mean "a program that was one of the 15 or so best in college football history", then, yeah, you're right. But before Saban came, we were at the tail end of that 15 or so. Now, I would argue that we are top-ten.
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Look LSU fans arguing to Bama fans about who has a better history is ridiculous for 2 reasons: we don't have a better football history and even if we did, they wouldn't believe us. I feel more comfortable arguing who has a better baseball history. 
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:26 pm to LuckyLee
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HELL NO. LSU wasn't a top 12 program pre Saban.
If you go by things like wins and major bowl games we were.
We've won 700 games in the history of LSU football. Believe it or not, Saban was only responsible for 46 of them.
This post was edited on 12/22/08 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:26 pm to lsuougel
quote:For sure..for a buck, you can have basketball too.. crappy arse sport.
feel more comfortable arguing who has a better baseball history
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