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re: The SECRant Season Poll Results
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:20 am to FootballFrenzy
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:20 am to FootballFrenzy
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Lol, shows what you know about research.
Dude, I've been a scientist since before you were born (almost 30 years now). I've read more scientific papers than you can shake a stick at and had more stats class than I can count...
But go ahead and think you know more than I do...
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You remember telling me that you "already voted four times"?
I have multiple e-mail accounts. Sue me.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:21 am to Lonnie Utah
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Sounds like you have a vendetta against south carolina fans. Haven't they been A&M rival since expansion?
Do you remember my list of teams ranked by how much I like them?
South Carolina was number two. Despite your attempts to change my opinion of them, they're still my second-favorite team in the SEC>
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:21 am to FootballFrenzy
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LSU (182) 12-0
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:22 am to FootballFrenzy
Just post the original data and be done with it. That's what a real scientist would do. They're say these are the results. There appear to be some abnormalities and let folks decide for themselves.
In a peer review format. you'd get crucified for altering the results without also posting the original data to go along with it. The data IS the data. You can manipulate it with stats later, but to simply say, I don't THINK this is right is not a valid approach.
In a peer review format. you'd get crucified for altering the results without also posting the original data to go along with it. The data IS the data. You can manipulate it with stats later, but to simply say, I don't THINK this is right is not a valid approach.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:28 am to Lonnie Utah
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Just post the original data and be done with it. That's what a real scientist would do. They're say these are the results. There appear to be some abnormalities and let folks decide for themselves.
In a peer review format. you'd get crucified for altering the results without also posting the original data to go along with it.
If you really have been a scientist for 30 years (and let's not pretend that anything on the Rant is scientific), you would know that rule number one is to only include valid data. Vanderbilt went 12-0. South Carolina went 12-0. Texas A&M went 0-12. Texas went 0-12.
Any of those sound suspect?
Be a guy...stop being a dick over a dumbass internet poll.
It's going to be fun watching the Gamecocks get their skulls grounded into dust by the Aggies this year.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:29 am to FootballFrenzy
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rule number one is to only include valid data.
Who decides what's valid?
Hint: That's why the call it PEER review...
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Vanderbilt went 12-0. South Carolina went 12-0. Texas A&M went 0-12. Texas went 0-12.
Here's the point. What if some folks really thought that's what their teams were going to do? How do you validate that? You just said "that can't be real" and threw it out? How do you know?
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Be a guy...stop being a dick over a dumbass internet poll.
I'm not being a dick. I'm handing our free education. You just don't like the lesson being taught.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:33 am to Lonnie Utah
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I'm not being a dick. I'm handing our free education. You just don't like the lesson being taught.
1. Being a dick and educating people are not mutually exclusive.
2. Clearly, we get what we pay for.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:35 am to Lonnie Utah
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Here's the point. What if some folks really thought that's what their teams were going to do? How do you validate that? You just said "that can't be real" and threw it out?
Sir, I say this with respect, because I understand that this is important you, but you don't seem to get it: Even if some folks did think Vandy was going to go 12-0 and answered like that in the Vandy poll, the vast majority of people in the other polls voted against them. It all comes out eventually in the final result.
Science is not about throwing raw data at people. It's about taking the raw data and analyzing it (not just looking at it) to draw conclusions.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:35 am to FootballFrenzy
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1. Being a dick and educating people are not mutually exclusive.
Some of my best life lessons were learned thur the school of hard knocks...
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:36 am to FootballFrenzy
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Science is not about throwing raw data at people. It's about taking the raw data and analyzing it (not just looking at it) to draw conclusions.
but it's also being transparent about what the RAW data was to begin with.
And you're dealing with opinions, and a persons OPINION can't be wrong or invalid.
IF you're going to alter the data without posting all of it why have a poll to begin with and just say this is what I think the results will be? Because unless when can see the baseline for ourselves we don't know to what extent you've altered it.
See the problem there?
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:41 am to CockHolliday
I don't think LSU goes 12-0, but its not unrealistic.
We are vegas favorites in 11/12 games.
The one we are currently dogs in is Texas A&M. We are +1.5 as of today
We are vegas favorites in 11/12 games.
The one we are currently dogs in is Texas A&M. We are +1.5 as of today
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:41 am to FootballFrenzy
Strange to think we won’t be playing LSU this season.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:42 am to Lonnie Utah
And I'm not saying the transformation of the data is inappropriate. I'm saying present the raw results and let folks decide for themselves.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:42 am to Lonnie Utah
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In a peer review format. you'd get crucified for altering the results without also posting the original data to go along with it. The data IS the data. You can manipulate it with stats later, but to simply say, I don't THINK this is right is not a valid approach.
This is why doing polls like this is a waste of time.
All results should be included and then you create your margin of error to account for suspect results.
OP has clearly expressed prejudice of other schools so how can we trust OP to remove results without bias.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:44 am to Monsusta
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This is why doing polls like this is a waste of time.
All results should be included and then you create your margin of error to account for suspect results.
OP has clearly expressed prejudice of other schools so how can we trust OP to remove results without bias.
Precisely and exactly my point.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:44 am to Lonnie Utah
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IF you're going to alter the data with out posting all of it why have a poll to begin with and just say this is what I think the results will be?
Sir (and I'm using that word not in a facetious way), if it really is that important to you, I will post the raw results, but it won't be today because I have to dig them out of the individual surveys. I just ask that you please stop spamming this board with complaints about my process and let it be about the results that were shown.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:45 am to Monsusta
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OP has clearly expressed prejudice of other schools so how can we trust OP to remove results without bias.
Because I'm one of the most honest guys on here.
Trust me, I would've had Texas going 8-4 if it was my choice.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:48 am to FootballFrenzy
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I just ask that you please stop spamming this board
Oh that's a rich statement...
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:53 am to Lonnie Utah
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Oh that's a rich statement...
I meant thread, my bad.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:58 am to FootballFrenzy
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LSU (182) 12-0
USC 68% W
At South Carolina 88% W
UCLA 92% W
Ole Miss 56% W
At Arkansas 88% W
At Texas A&M 72% W
Alabama 51% W
At Florida 84% W
Vanderbilt 88% W
Oklahoma 79% W
tRant has spoken
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