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Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you just stick with the top 8 conference champs, you can avoid all this complicated, convoluted bullshite.
I see your point there, the idea was to assure the once in a generations Cinderella team had a shot at it too; at least I think that was part of the original idea.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:27 pm to Mulat
quote:Here's how Mulat's system would play out if it were in affect this year:
What's the timeline of these games?
There are 17 Saturdays between August 30th and December 28th, about the time the bowls usually begin.
With a 13-week regular season including a bye week, followed by Championship games for each of the 8 conferences, you would enter the first round of the playoffs on December 14th. Then 8 teams play on the 21st, and the 4 winners could play around New Year's Day using the current rotating bowl system. Championship would be January 12, 2015, just as is currently planned.
I don't see how this would be any more of an imposition on student-athletes than the current system is. And the schools who host the first two rounds (and the towns in which they reside) will get a huge windfall on top of the distributed revenues.
I like it. Which means it won't happen.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:32 pm to FearlessFreep
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Here's how SEC RANT PLAYOFF would play out if it were in affect this year:
FIFY
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:34 pm to i am dan
I don't agree with this model. I want the best 8 teams or as close to the reality of that as possible within the confines of human judgement. If one of those conference teams are judged to be that good than include them. Would hate a system where a 11-1 SEC that lost a close SECCG sat out to allow a participation trophy to a Toledo type team that would otherwise get steam rolled by a power conference team.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:35 pm to Mulat
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I see your point there, the idea was to assure the once in a generations Cinderella team had a shot at it too; at least I think that was part of the original idea.
If you include the top 8 conference champs, that means that over the years the MWC, MAC, CUSA and even Sun Belt champions would all likely get bids. There are 11 conferences in the FBS, the three lowest get left out, but those would not likely be the same year in and year out.
That's all the Cinderella you need. After all, when was the last time a 16 seed won the NCAA in basketball? 8 seed?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:35 pm to Dick Leverage
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Would hate a system where a 11-1 SEC that lost a close SECCG sat out to allow a participation trophy to a Toledo type team that would otherwise get steam rolled by a power conference team.
Makes every game played very meaningful
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:37 pm to FearlessFreep
Right, then like in 2005 you would have had a 7-6 Akron Mac champion, who lost to Memphis in their bowl, playing against an SEC champion in the play off.Good stuff right there.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:38 pm to Dick Leverage
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I don't agree with this model.
Dick, do you like this better than what is going to be used this year?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:51 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I disagree. Playing a full round-robin schedule within a conference produces the truest, most valid champion, and is a LOT better than a divisional set-up with a CG. An SEC champion has to play 9 conference games, including the CG. A Big XII champion would also have to play 9 conference games. I don't think the Big XII should have to add teams and play a CG to get a bid in the playoff.
I see your point...but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The conference championship game is like an extra play-off game, the one who wins the game is champion, no argument...
In a round-robin only, there's a chance where you could have more than 2 teams with just 1 conference loss where head-to-head doesn't settle it (i.e., Texas beats Oklahoma, Oklahoma State beats Texas, Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State). I know it happened in the SEC before the SECCG came about. It may not be a common occurrence, but when that happens, who would go to the play-off?
Like I said, you make a good point...I just think a championship game is cleaner (for lack of a better word) and would also add a bit more excitement/intensity leading up to the play-offs...but I could be wrong...
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:02 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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f you include the top 8 conference champs, that means that over the years the MWC, MAC, CUSA and even Sun Belt champions would all likely get bids. There are 11 conferences in the FBS, the three lowest get left out, but those would not likely be the same year in and year out.
I think there are only 10 conferences now, but stopping at 8 champs, means a 7-5 Sun Belt champ likely doesn't make it. And allows for times like LSU in 06 and Bama in 11. Not conference champs, but possibly the best.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:06 pm to Mulat
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No team who's conference is already represented in the 8 conference champions can be eligible for At-Large selection.
I don't like this. The SEC regularly has 2 of the best 12 teams and sometimes 3 of the top 12.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:21 pm to Dick Leverage
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Would hate a system where a 11-1 SEC that lost a close SECCG sat out to allow a participation trophy to a Toledo type team that would otherwise get steam rolled by a power conference team.
Participation trophies are for losers. If that's all you want for your team, you deserve to sit at home.
Steamrolling Toledo is the reward top teams get in the semis. If your team didn't win their conference, they're not a top team.
When are people finally going to give up on having opinion polls determine who our champions are? I thought the play offs were supposed to get us there. But it looks like people just want mulligans everywhere. That's pussy-assed loser bullshite.
Win and advance. Lose and go home. That's the American way.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Win and advance. Lose and go home. That's the American way.
Too bad we can't have this conversation face to face, I am losing some of your points, as I see it, "it is a lose and go home", starts at the conference level, essentially these are mini playoffs if you will. There is no second bite at the apple, one and done or go on.
No so?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Totally concur.
When are people finally going to give up on having opinion polls determine who our champions are? I thought the play offs were supposed to get us there. But it looks like people just want mulligans everywhere. That's pussy-assed loser bullshite.
Win and advance. Lose and go home. That's the American way.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:35 pm to Tiger Live2
If you thought conference realignment was bad now, just wait until all these "perfect playoff system" scenarios come into play.
Hey why not just incent teams to schedule all creampuffs and be independents? That way they can get into the playoffs?
Hey why not just incent teams to schedule all creampuffs and be independents? That way they can get into the playoffs?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:38 pm to ironsides
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Hey why not just incent teams to schedule all creampuffs and be independents? That way they can get into the playoffs?
Show me a system in life that is not GAMED by someone. But keeping the Conference Champions in place and only allowing 4 At-Large teams would seem to solve that issue pretty well.
But you are right, once something is put in stone others will begin to move in ways that they think best help them. Pretty much human nature.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:38 pm to ironsides
I think you might get more games scheduled against top teams if you know your in by winning your conference. And if you want a bye, like I had proposed, you have to be highly enough ranked, which means having a good SOS too.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Win and advance. Lose and go home. That's the American way.
WT- If I understand you, you are OK with the 8 Conference Champions, it is the addition of the 4 At Large that you think is watering down the playoffs, correct?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:41 pm to Tiger Live2
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you have to be highly enough ranked, which means having a good SOS too.
So it is an EARNED bye, not a gimme
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