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re: The Perfect Playoff System
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:21 am to Tiger Live2
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:21 am to Tiger Live2
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Considering my propensity to butcher the English language, fix it up.
OK, hang around, I am working on it now. Will take a few minutes, then I will post it for your approval
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:25 am to i am dan
I prefer a playoff system that gives a team two chances to get in. all other sports give teams two chances. your scenario gives them only one.
for example:
12 conf. champs
4 at large
this way...if you don't win the conference, you can still get in as an at large. OR, if you lose to a shitty team outside of conference, your season is not over yet and you still can get in with a conf. title. ala basketball.
TWO CHANCES!!!!
for example:
12 conf. champs
4 at large
this way...if you don't win the conference, you can still get in as an at large. OR, if you lose to a shitty team outside of conference, your season is not over yet and you still can get in with a conf. title. ala basketball.
TWO CHANCES!!!!
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:26 am to oldcharlie8
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12 conference champions. 4 at large
The huge problem with this is that you are giving the same chance to a team winning a pathetic conference as you do to a team winning the toughest conference.
As long as the conferences are drastically unbalanced, a fair playoff cannot be created.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:27 am to Mulat
Alright.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:27 am to oldcharlie8
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So, you are opposed to the playoff systems that the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. have been using for decades?
Its apples and oranges. No college sport has a pro style playoff. They all use seedings and a selection committee.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:31 am to Crimson Legend
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a pathetic conference as you do to a team winning the toughest conference.
the mountain west was considered a shitty conference 15 years ago. the wac was considered a shitty conference 15 years ago.
things change.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:34 am to oldcharlie8
I edited my OP. Had the terminology for the different conference levels all messed up. Fixed now. Sorry for the confusion and foul up on my part.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:35 am to oldcharlie8
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12 conf. champs
Aren't there only 10 now? 6 at large is too many. That's why I said 12 teams, with 8 conference champs. That way the Sun Belt and C-USA champs are still left out.(or whoever)
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:41 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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How else do you decide the best teams if not by conference champions?
The BCS formula was better in that it included a computer algorithm component that was unbiased.
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I thought the whole reason behind a playoff was to get rid of the opinion poll approach to picking a champion.
Either a play off OR a poll, NOT both.
Respectfully disagree. There should be at least a marginally unbiased method for ranking the 4 best teams and I prefer the BCS formula to a biased selection committee. By instructing the selection committee members to disregard the polls leaves them conscience free to for instance select an 8th ranked AP conference champion to participate in the the playoffs.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:43 am to Tiger Live2
Make Every College Football Count
This petition will insure every college football team will have an object earned spot to the College Football Championship Playoffs and the Championship. Teams eligible to play for the National Championship would be:
1. One of 12 Teams seeded using an objective seeding method, such as BCS or something similar
2. All of the 8 Conference Champions would be automatically in the playoffs
2. 4 additional At-Large teams would be included in the playoff based on the seeding procedure.
3. Top 4 Conference Seeds would get a bye in the first round.
4. The remaining teams, ranked 5 through 12, would play in the first round. Semi-final games will be played at the higher seeded teams home field.
5. This process keeps the regular season meaningful because everyone will want to finish in the top 4 to earn the Bye. It also insures the smaller conferences a fair shot at the Championship.
OK, how does this look? We would aim the petition to be sent to College Football Playoff
This petition will insure every college football team will have an object earned spot to the College Football Championship Playoffs and the Championship. Teams eligible to play for the National Championship would be:
1. One of 12 Teams seeded using an objective seeding method, such as BCS or something similar
2. All of the 8 Conference Champions would be automatically in the playoffs
2. 4 additional At-Large teams would be included in the playoff based on the seeding procedure.
3. Top 4 Conference Seeds would get a bye in the first round.
4. The remaining teams, ranked 5 through 12, would play in the first round. Semi-final games will be played at the higher seeded teams home field.
5. This process keeps the regular season meaningful because everyone will want to finish in the top 4 to earn the Bye. It also insures the smaller conferences a fair shot at the Championship.
OK, how does this look? We would aim the petition to be sent to College Football Playoff
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:48 am to Mulat
Looks good, but there are more than 8 conferences, so it's only the 8 highest ranked champs. So likely the Sun Belt will be left out, and such.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:49 am to Tiger Live2
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So likely the Sun Belt will be left out, and such.
Wouldn't that be a mistake to leave out any conference champ?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:55 am to Tiger Live2
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Looks good, but there are more than 8 conferences, so it's only the 8 highest ranked champs. So likely the Sun Belt will be left out, and such.
Take what I have put down and edit it. I think you are correct, 8 top Conference Champions.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:57 am to Mulat
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Wouldn't that be a mistake to leave out any conference champ?
Maybe, but it helps to keep out a 7-5 champ. But only 2 at large is doable, but the games would be better with an 8/4 setup.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:59 am to davesdawgs
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The BCS formula was better in that it included a computer algorithm component that was unbiased.
How short a dog's memory is. There was no end to bitching and complaining about the nerd's computers and how they were inherently biased.
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committee members to disregard the polls leaves them conscience free to for instance select an 8th ranked AP
You just don't get it.
Does the AP also rank NFL teams for the playoffs?
When there are play offs, no one cares about AP rankings (or any other opinion poll), it's just SO ingrained at this point, no one can even imagine going through a college football season without looking at opinion polls.
NEWSFLASH: Conference standings will be the new opinion polls.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:52 am to oldcharlie8
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the mountain west was considered a shitty conference 15 years ago. the wac was considered a shitty conference 15 years ago.
things change.
Yes, they do. But the fact that things change does not preclude us from the very rational conclusion that winning one conference is DRASTICALLY more difficult than winning another. There has to be some balance for any of this to make sense.
Even in the NCAA tourney, while they let the champions of minor conferences in, they do not seed them in the same spots as power conference winners. A 16 team playoff where winning the MAC or Sun Belt gives you the same standing as winning the Pac 12 or SEC...that is just not acceptable. You have to either re-align conferences or find a system that does not give you equal standing for beating a schedule of nobodies.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:56 am to Crimson Legend
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Even in the NCAA tourney, while they let the champions of minor conferences in, they do not seed them in the same spots as power conference winners. A 16 team playoff where winning the MAC or Sun Belt gives you the same standing as winning the Pac 12 or SEC...that is just not acceptable. You have to either re-align conferences or find a system that does not give you equal standing for beating a schedule of nobodies.
Yes I agree, I think that is what Tiger Live2 was getting at. Ok so the top 8 conferences and 4 At-large
How say you to that Crimson Legend?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:57 am to Mulat
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Yes I agree, I think that is what Tiger Live2 was getting at. Ok so the top 8 conferences and 4 At-large
How say you to that Crimson Legend?
Very reasonable.
What do you do with the bottom 4 conferences? Give them criteria where they have to be considered as at-large?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:08 pm to oldcharlie8
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I prefer a playoff system that gives a team two chances to get in.
Yeah, because even if they fail they should pass so we don't hurt their self-esteem.
Maybe we should just vote for EVERYBODY to be champions at the end of the year and sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya.
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TWO CHANCES!!!!
...is for losers.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:11 pm to Crimson Legend
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The huge problem with this is that you are giving the same chance to a team winning a pathetic conference as you do to a team winning the toughest conference.
So you really think if say a ULM wins their conference and is paired up with a conference champion Alabama in the first round of the play offs, ULM has an equal shot at the title?
...Oh, wait a minute, bad example.
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