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Posted on 5/3/13 at 5:52 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
Posted on 5/3/13 at 5:52 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
I was just referencing SEC conference games. Those are the ones that get you to the post season.
All that game you say I ignored did was prove that saban was better at getting his team prepared when he has a month and a half to get ready.
When the prep time is one/two weeks Miles has more than held his own. The numbers I posted more than prove that.
Considering that it is highly unlikely there will ever be another game between LSU and bama with a 45 day practice time I really like the tiger's chances.
All that game you say I ignored did was prove that saban was better at getting his team prepared when he has a month and a half to get ready.
When the prep time is one/two weeks Miles has more than held his own. The numbers I posted more than prove that.
Considering that it is highly unlikely there will ever be another game between LSU and bama with a 45 day practice time I really like the tiger's chances.
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Posted on 5/3/13 at 6:02 pm to Sheetbend
You forgot about last year.
Oregon and K St both lost on the same day to bump bama back into the picture. It's two years in a row the tide backed into championship game. They did take advantage of their good fortune though.
Oregon and K St both lost on the same day to bump bama back into the picture. It's two years in a row the tide backed into championship game. They did take advantage of their good fortune though.
Posted on 5/3/13 at 6:29 pm to 167back
Weather people consider BAMA backed in or not is a matter of opinion. But there is one fact about the last two years, we whooped the #1 team arse good enough to remove all doubt from all the voters minds who the best team in the country really was. No offense to anyone intended 
Posted on 5/3/13 at 6:40 pm to 167back
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Oregon and K St both lost on the same day to bump bama back into the picture. It's two years in a row the tide backed into championship game.
Which just goes to show you, coming from the SEC, you have to be not only good, you have to get some luck to win a N.C. in football.
The luck factor has a way of evening out in the long run.
LSU got lucky back in 2003 when LSU passed USC in the BCS computer standings when two of the Trojans' opponents that year, Hawaii and Notre Dame, lost their final games on the last Saturday of the regular season, lowering USC's strength-of-schedule ranking just enough for LSU to pass them.
LSU got lucky again in 2007 when they finally got their rematch with V.Tech that had been delayed by V.Tech for 2 years. LSU beat V.Tech that year and the Hokies ended up with two losses, which allowed LSU to get the BCS C.G. with two losses. Without that second loss to LSU, V.Tech would have knocked LSU out of their second Crystal Trophy.
Posted on 5/3/13 at 6:45 pm to Sheetbend
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Sheetbend
Big Daddy can appreciate this.
Posted on 5/3/13 at 8:10 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Sigh.. Let the circle jerk begin. 
Posted on 5/3/13 at 8:20 pm to 167back
quote:This was the part of the argument I took issue with. You believe that difference between the two coaches is very small. I disagree because I believe 1/9 accurately showed the difference between the two coaches.
If saban is so universely better than Miles why are they 3-3 in SEC matchups?
quote:Which means Saban is the better coach.
All that game you say I ignored did was prove that saban was better at getting his team prepared when he has a month and a half to get ready.
If Miles is as good of a coach as Saban, he should have been able to make that game competitive. Being able to analyze your opponent and game plan for their weaknesses is part of being a coach. That game showed who the better coach was.. I'm not saying he is a bad coach because I don't think he is, but Saban is definitely a cut above.
If I said we should ignore 2007 when Saban inherited a very mediocre team and had to play against the eventual national champions, you would think that would be outrageous. I could make the argument that the talent disparity was too great that year to objectively see who the better coach was or even if it was close. By throwing out that game and including the national championship, Saban is suddenly 4-2 against Miles since 2008. That doesn't look nearly as good as your 3-3. I'm not going to do that because it is not fair to exclude data just because you don't like it.
This post was edited on 5/3/13 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 5/3/13 at 8:22 pm to AUlove23
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Sigh.. Let the circle jerk begin
Awesome, now we've got a pivot man (AUlove23).
Posted on 5/3/13 at 10:52 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
If saban didn't have much talent to work with in '07 explain those same guys going undefeated in regular season the very next year?
What's it like now for saban, nine #1 recruiting classes in his seven years at bama? With oh so much more talent at his disposal he should just runover all opponents. Yet every year come november LSU stands toe to toe and it's not over till nothing but 00:00 on the clock.
With bama having oh so much more talent it has to be the coaching keeping LSU in the game? Right?
Until there is another game between LSU and bama with 45 days of game prep involved LSU and Miles will win their share.
Care to explain '08. LSU led by freshman QB took sec west rep bama to OT eventhough tigers handed them 14 unearned points.
How bout '09? LSU had a fourth quarter lead on eventual champion bama in tuscalossa.
How bout '12? Tigers totally shut down bama's base offense the whole game. It took mccarron the drive of his life in the last two minutes for bama to win the game and win the west.
Again, if saban is such a cut above. Why is the conference record equal between Miles and saban?
What's it like now for saban, nine #1 recruiting classes in his seven years at bama? With oh so much more talent at his disposal he should just runover all opponents. Yet every year come november LSU stands toe to toe and it's not over till nothing but 00:00 on the clock.
With bama having oh so much more talent it has to be the coaching keeping LSU in the game? Right?
Until there is another game between LSU and bama with 45 days of game prep involved LSU and Miles will win their share.
Care to explain '08. LSU led by freshman QB took sec west rep bama to OT eventhough tigers handed them 14 unearned points.
How bout '09? LSU had a fourth quarter lead on eventual champion bama in tuscalossa.
How bout '12? Tigers totally shut down bama's base offense the whole game. It took mccarron the drive of his life in the last two minutes for bama to win the game and win the west.
Again, if saban is such a cut above. Why is the conference record equal between Miles and saban?
This post was edited on 5/3/13 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 5/3/13 at 10:55 pm to Sheetbend
You are correct about luck. Unless a team starts at #1 or #2 and runs the talbe there is some level of luck involved in making the BCSNCG.
Posted on 5/3/13 at 11:15 pm to 167back
quote:Notice how I said I wasn't going to make that argument because it wasn't fair to exclude data and that it was clearly an outrageous claim.
If saban didn't have much talent to work with in '07 explain those same guys going undefeated in regular season the very next year?
quote:When you say things like this it makes it difficult to take you seriously. Please point out where I said Alabama was significantly more talented. Link me to it. That is you putting words in my mouth.
What's it like now for saban, nine #1 recruiting classes in his seven years at bama? With oh so much more talent at his disposal he should just runover all opponents. Yet every year come november LSU stands toe to toe and it's not over till nothing but 00:00 on the clock.
With bama having oh so much more talent it has to be the coaching keeping LSU in the game? Right?
quote:Like I said in my previous post, Miles is a good coach. I will even add that he is probably a top 10 coach, and he is certainly capable of giving Alabama a run for their money. But 1/9 showed the difference between the two. He was able to gameplan for LSU so well that they could not manage 100 yards of offense.
Care to explain '08. LSU led by freshman QB took sec west rep bama to OT eventhough tigers handed them 14 unearned points.
How bout '09? LSU had a fourth quarter lead on eventual champion bama in tuscalossa.
How bout '12? Tigers totally shut down bama's base offense the whole game. It took mccarron the drive of his life in the last two minutes for bama to win the game and win the west.
As far as shutting us down for the whole game in 2012, what was the halftime score? If you shut us down so well, why were we up by double digits? You had a great 28 minutes in the second half, not a great 58 minutes like you are saying.
This post was edited on 5/3/13 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 5/3/13 at 11:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I remember back in the 90s when LSU started playing Auburn annually
Where they beating you like a drum like the Aggies were back then as well?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 12:05 am to UAFanFromNOLA
Shut down bama's "base offense". Meaning anything but two minute.
bama had nine drives in the game where they ran their regular base offense.
Six three and outs
One that resulted in a fumble
One that resulted in a punt after two first downs
One TD
Total offense of 221 yards on those nine possessions.
166 rushing
55 passing
mccarron had -1 yard passing in the third quarter. He had under 100 with a minute and a half left in the game.
I would say LSU handled the bama regular base offense quite well that night.
As for my comments about '07. Being you mentioned that season in your post I felt the need to respond to it.
You are correct. You specifically never said anything about talent level at the capstone. The other bama folks reference it all the time though.
If Miles is only a top 10 coach in your eyes and (I will assume but, I could be wrong on this) you have saban at #1. Then #1 through #10 is mighty tight. Since saban and Miles are 3-3 in conference with saban being 1-0 in bowls over Miles.
bama had nine drives in the game where they ran their regular base offense.
Six three and outs
One that resulted in a fumble
One that resulted in a punt after two first downs
One TD
Total offense of 221 yards on those nine possessions.
166 rushing
55 passing
mccarron had -1 yard passing in the third quarter. He had under 100 with a minute and a half left in the game.
I would say LSU handled the bama regular base offense quite well that night.
As for my comments about '07. Being you mentioned that season in your post I felt the need to respond to it.
You are correct. You specifically never said anything about talent level at the capstone. The other bama folks reference it all the time though.
If Miles is only a top 10 coach in your eyes and (I will assume but, I could be wrong on this) you have saban at #1. Then #1 through #10 is mighty tight. Since saban and Miles are 3-3 in conference with saban being 1-0 in bowls over Miles.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 12:25 am to TeLeFaWx
Miles has not had a legitimate offensive coordinator ever since losing Gary Crowton, and it caught up with him in 2011.
Now that Cam Cameron has joined Miles, LSU now has the best coaching staff in its history, and is every bit the match for Saban's Crimson Tide.
When Saban prepares for LSU in the future, he will match wits with probably the best offensive mind in the history of the SEC in Cam Cameron. Miles already has the defensive side of the ball well taken care of by John Chavis and his defense. In the future, Miles will be able to direct his full attention to the overall management of the team as H.C.
In addition to that, Cameron will attract a higher level of talent for the entire offense and especially at QB, which has been the achilles heel of the offense for years.
Now that Cam Cameron has joined Miles, LSU now has the best coaching staff in its history, and is every bit the match for Saban's Crimson Tide.
When Saban prepares for LSU in the future, he will match wits with probably the best offensive mind in the history of the SEC in Cam Cameron. Miles already has the defensive side of the ball well taken care of by John Chavis and his defense. In the future, Miles will be able to direct his full attention to the overall management of the team as H.C.
In addition to that, Cameron will attract a higher level of talent for the entire offense and especially at QB, which has been the achilles heel of the offense for years.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 4:59 am to Sheetbend
Posted on 5/4/13 at 6:51 am to LSUNV
I have a feeling this thread is going to be back on the first page in the forthcoming autumn months.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 7:16 am to 167back
Totally shut down? Check the scoring and leads in that game. These teams are very closely matched and the game has been special for a number of years. That is the reason we all still talk about them.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 12:39 pm to Sheetbend
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When Saban prepares for LSU in the future, he will match wits with probably the best offensive mind in the history of the SEC in Cam Cameron.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 12:46 pm to 167back
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You forgot about last year.
Oregon and K St both lost on the same day to bump bama back into the picture. It's two years in a row the tide backed into championship game. They did take advantage of their good fortune though.
You honestly have ZERO room to talk being an LSU fan.....y'all have the biggest back in of all time..2 losses as a national champ? U SRS?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 12:47 pm to Sheetbend
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Miles has not had a legitimate offensive coordinator ever since losing Gary Crowton, and it caught up with him in 2011.
Now that Cam Cameron has joined Miles, LSU now has the best coaching staff in its history, and is every bit the match for Saban's Crimson Tide.
Not gonna lie, LSU actually having an offense scares me. If Mett actually adjusts, they will be dangerous. I just don't think Mett was consistent enough last year to make me believe he can put it together for 12 consecutive games this year. Can he? Absolutely, he is super talented, but I don't know if he will.
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