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re: The Coaches USA TODAY Sports AFCA top 25 preseason poll
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:46 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:46 pm to lsufball19
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Regardless, I'm seeing OSU as having the #3 SOS heading into this season
Think your looking at their fpi score.
Year in and year out ESPN releases its Football Power Index rankings for all 130 FBS teams. Many factors go into these FPI rankings, including the strength of schedule (SOS). According to the latest edition, the Big 12 Conference as a whole has the toughest SOS in college football. All 10 teams rank in the top 20.
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:47 pm to ShowMeHorns
Arkansas has the toughest schedule in college football. They are #1
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:49 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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That sure indicates that other conferences were leaving the Big 12 in the dust
Oklahoma beat a decimated Florida team in the Cotton Bowl. Good win
Oklahoma State beat Miami in the Cheez-It Bowl
Iowa State beat unranked 4-3 Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl. Be reminded that Oregon was only there because the division champ, Washington, couldn't play in the Pac 12 title game due to COVID. They also finished behind Stanford in the division but won a weird COVID tie-breaker.
Texas beat 4-2 Colorado in the Alamo Bowl
West Virginia beat Army in the Liberty Bowl
So the Big 12 beat 2 Pac 12 teams (arguably the worst conference in the country), 1 SEC team, an ACC team, and an independant.
The SEC went 7-2 in Bowl games.
Georgia beat undefeated #8 Cincinnati in the Peach Bowl.
Alabama beat #4 Notre Dame in the ROSE Bowl (CFP) and undefeated #7 OSU in the CFP Title game
Florida lost to OU as already mentioned.
3-7 Mississippi State beat 6-2 Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl
Unraned Auburn lost to #14 Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl
4-6 Kentucky beat #23 8-3 NC State in the Gator Bowl
4-5 Ole Miss beat #11 6-1 Indiana in the Outback Bowl
To me, it looks like SEC teams beat a bunch of teams as underdogs while the Big 12 teams played as big favorites in 4 of their 5 bowl games.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:51 pm to lsufball19
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Texas beat Miami in the Cheez-It Bowl
quote:Damn. We were so good last year we won 2 bowl games? Big time addition for the SEC if you ask me.
Texas beat 4-2 Colorado in the Alamo Bowl
quote:Lol my response wasn't "Big 12 is better than the SEC". It was to point out the fallacy of saying that the Big 12 was being left behind every other P5 conference
To me, it looks like SEC teams beat a bunch of teams as underdogs while the Big 12 teams played as big favorites in 4 of their 5 bowl games.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:52 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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It was to point out the fallacy of saying that the Big 12 was being left behind every other P5 conference
I'd rank them
1. SEC
2. Big 10
3a. ACC
3b. Big 12
5. Pac 12
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:55 pm to lsufball19
quote:Damn. It's a shame that the SEC wanted two teams from the Big 12 then... But I'm sure the ACC and Big 10 went undefeated in their bowl games as well.
1. SEC
2. Big 10
3a. ACC
3b. Big 12
5. Pac 12
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:58 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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That is 14 consecutive years being ranked #1 by Alabama for at least 1 week.
And you only won 6 of those titles. That is underachieving.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:58 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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It's a shame that the SEC wanted two teams from the Big 12 then... But I'm sure the ACC and Big 10 went undefeated in their bowl games as well.
Did I say every team in the Big 12 was terrible? Oklahoma is a very good program.
The Big 12 also went 1-5 in bowl games in 2019 or do we only operate in one-year windows?
I mean would you honestly rank the Big 12 higher than 3rd as a conference. And if so, why exactly?
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:01 pm to lsufball19
quote:Because top to bottom it is consistently regarded as the second or third ranked conference in the nation.
I mean would you honestly rank the Big 12 higher than 3rd as a conference. And if so, why exactly?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:04 pm to XWing atAliciousness
Actually it's regarded as a soft conference with teams that have no clue how to play defense and a champion that gets absolutely demolished by real competition in the playoffs.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:05 pm to XWing atAliciousness
You're really going to have to stop puting so much stock in any computer rankings in the 2020 season, especially when the Big 10 and Pac 10 played half a season's worth of games. When some teams played as many as 14 games and others as few as 5, it kind of devalues any model like that. Showing me a 2020 ranking does not show they are "consistently regarded as the second or third ranked conference in the nation." It shows me from a computer that in a very unusual season they were.
The Big 12 was 3rd in 2019, slightly above the ACC. They were 2nd in 2018, 4th in 2017, 5th in 2016, 3rd in 2015. That's an average of 3.4 from 2015-2019. So why does it offend you I had them ranked 3rd?
The Big 12 was 3rd in 2019, slightly above the ACC. They were 2nd in 2018, 4th in 2017, 5th in 2016, 3rd in 2015. That's an average of 3.4 from 2015-2019. So why does it offend you I had them ranked 3rd?
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:05 pm to jatebe
bama pwns
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:07 pm to lsufball19
quote:2019 - Big 12 No. 3
You're really going to have to stop puting so much stock in any computer rankings in the 2020 season, especially when the Big 10 and Pac 10 played half a season's worth of games. When some teams played as many as 14 games and others as few as 5, it kind of devalues any model like that. Showing me a 2020 ranking does not show they are "consistently regarded as the second or third ranked conference in the nation." It shows me from a computer that in a very unusual season they were.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:08 pm to XWing atAliciousness
The Big 12 was 3rd in 2019, slightly above the ACC. They were 2nd in 2018, 4th in 2017, 5th in 2016, 3rd in 2015. That's an average of 3.4 from 2015-2019. So why does it offend you I had them ranked 3rd?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:08 pm to ShowMeHorns
ESPN FPI 2021 Strength of Schedule:
1) Arkansas
2) Auburn
3) Kansas
4) Texas
5) TCU
6) Iowa State
7) LSU
8) West Virginia
9) Ole Miss
10) Oklahoma State
11) Texas Tech
12) Kansas State
13) Alabama
14) Mississippi State
15) Baylor
Arkansas has the #1 SOS because their conference schedule includes #1, #5, #6, #13, and #25. Same with Auburn.
1) Arkansas
2) Auburn
3) Kansas
4) Texas
5) TCU
6) Iowa State
7) LSU
8) West Virginia
9) Ole Miss
10) Oklahoma State
11) Texas Tech
12) Kansas State
13) Alabama
14) Mississippi State
15) Baylor
Arkansas has the #1 SOS because their conference schedule includes #1, #5, #6, #13, and #25. Same with Auburn.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:09 pm to lsufball19
quote:You had them ranked 4th, and they've finished ranked higher than that in all but 2 seasons in the last 6 football seasons
The Big 12 was 3rd in 2019, slightly above the ACC. They were 2nd in 2018, 4th in 2017, 5th in 2016, 3rd in 2015. That's an average of 3.4 from 2015-2019. So why does it offend you I had them ranked 3rd?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:09 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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You had them ranked 4th
No I didn't. I had them and Clemson at 3a and 3b.
The ACC was 5th in 2019, 4th in 2018, 3rd in 2017, 2nd in 2016, and 5th in 2015. That puts Texas at 3.4 and Clemson at 3.8 on average from 2015-2019. Pretty close, no?
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:10 pm to lsufball19
quote:And there you have it: I said ranked top to bottom. You are looking at one team.
No I didn't. I had them and Clemson at 3a and 3b.
We can agree to disagree. Either way - Texas and Oklahoma aren't playing in the Big 12 for much longer anyhow. Just pointing out what the other poster said regarding how the Big 12 was the worst power 5 conference when that has been statistically proven to be categorically false.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:11 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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We can agree to disagree.
I don't think we even disagree
I have them ranked third and you have them ranked third. It's like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. quote:
I said ranked top to bottom. You are looking at one team.
No, I'm using the same ELO ranking you were using for conference rankings
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:16 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Arkansas has the #1 SOS because their conference schedule includes #1, #5, #6, #13, and #25. Same with Auburn.
I'm aware of why they are #1, they also have a decent OOC schedule.
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