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re: TAMU student exposed for racists tweets aimed at recuits, posing as Texas fan
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:06 am to oman
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:06 am to oman
I'm not asking you to defend anyone, I'm correcting your false claims about the origins of this argument. I'm also not accusing you personally of any of it.
You need to learn a different debate tactic than placing words in the mouths of others, because every single post you attacking a nonexistent straw man.
You need to learn a different debate tactic than placing words in the mouths of others, because every single post you attacking a nonexistent straw man.
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Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:11 am to Roger Klarvin
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Subtle passive agressive accusations of racism would carry more weight if it weren't so obvious you were avoiding the question.
frickin' A dude, you need to take a powder.
You previously washed your hands of the subject of this thread by claiming "the guy is a UH grad".
So you clearly have some reason for distancing A&M from this guy.
Thus, it can be assumed that you have some reason for distancing the racist things the students heard from the mental state of the student who left.
My theory is that you are just a defensive, slightly hypocritical fan.
If you want to get hysterical and claim I am alleging racism, that's all on you, dude.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:18 am to oman
never in my life have i seen this amount of attention paid to aggy by longhorn fans. they were on top of the world 10 years ago, what happened?
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:21 am to Uncle Gunnysack
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never in my life have i seen this amount of attention paid to aggy by longhorn fans. they were on top of the world 10 years ago, what happened?
1) TAMU student exposed for racists tweets aimed at recuits, posing as Texas fan
2) You do realize that a single internet board is not a particularly good gauge of how much attention is paid, to anything.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:25 am to oman
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hands of the subject of this thread by claiming "the guy is a UH grad".
HE IS, he graduated from UH in December 2015 with a business degree. He started at A&M for grad school in January, MONTHS after he started all this shite.
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Thus, it can be assumed that you have some reason for distancing the racist things the students heard from the mental state of the student who left.
She didn't say anything racist, that's the point. She told a black kid with a UT backpack to "Go back where you came from" as they walked past and then got into a hysterical incoherent screaming match with a couple of the kids. Several other students, residents of Walton Hall, were involved at that point. She was reportedly yelling nonsense and freaking the kids out. There were over a dozen witnesses who the school interviewed, including two faculty, who refuted the kids claims that she or anyone else used racial language.
She was disturbed girl and had done weird shite to random people in the past.
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If you want to get hysterical and claim I am alleging racism, that's all on you, dude.
Ok
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 12:30 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:33 am to Roger Klarvin
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Last week, a group of about 60 juniors from the Uplift school were touring the university when racist slurs were aimed at them by a group of mostly white A&M students. Staffers from the charter school, whose student population is predominantly black and Latino, and an A&M tour guide witnessed that exchange.
Minutes earlier, a young white woman also pointedly motioned to her earrings, asking two girls from Uplift if it would be acceptable to wear them to the Dallas school. The earrings were miniature Confederate flags.
The high school juniors were visiting A&M as part of Uplift’s “Road to College” program, which takes students on tours of universities across the nation.
(A&M President) Young quickly condemned the acts as police and university officials launched an investigation into the matter.
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So the aggy groupthink stance now is that this never happened?
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:36 am to Roger Klarvin
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There were a dozen witnesses who the school interviewed, including two faculty, who refuted the kids claims that she used racial language.
You do, RK, realize that this is a fact issue? This was not an uncontested issue.
You do realize that the kids have not recanted their statement?
The school took the facts, which include statements from kids who claim that the N-word was used, made their findings, and allowed the student to withdraw. Thus, allowing the school to exit the student and still make the finding that the word was not used.
Again, you have every right to claim that the student didn't do anything racist, but there are statements that she did use the N-word, and most black kids would find that a white person telling them to go back to where you came from was, indeed, racist.
Are you claiming that A&M made a finding that a reasonable person would not find the action of the student racist and offensive? Or simply that A&M found that she did not use the N-word?ased
Because I am in no way disputing that A&M made its findings based on their own investigation. What I am debating is any claim that their subjective findings on disputed evidence establishes any facts.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:40 am to oman
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Because I am in no way disputing that A&M made its findings based on their own investigation. What I am debating is any claim that their subjective findings on disputed evidence establishes any facts.
Kind of reminds me of that "internal investigation" launched by A&M into Jackie Sherrill's shenanigans in the 1980s.
They found nothing, absolutely nothing/Sgt. Schultz
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:43 am to texashorn
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groupthink stance now is that this never happened?
That article was written before the investigation and interviews were concluded. The testimony of every witness associated with the school including that of faculty (one herself an African American) and bystanders not involved revealed the high schoolers allegations were, at best, a misinterpretation of events only they perceived.
To put it bluntly, they got offended/freaked out by a weird unstable girl and made it up. Every single witness denied the use of racial language.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:48 am to Roger Klarvin
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That article was written before the investigation and interviews were concluded. The testimony of every witness associated with the school including that of faculty (one herself an African American) and bystanders not involved revealed the high schoolers allegations were, at best, a misinterpretation of events only they perceived.
To put it bluntly, they got offended/freaked out by a weird unstable girl and made it up. Every single witness denied the use of racial language.
Did every single witness deny the use of racial language or did every single A&M student/faculty member deny the use of racial language?
I'm not remotely arguing that A&M shouldn't have made its finding. I'm simply arguing that the fact was not uncontroverted --- which you seem to agree with my downplaying the misguided student testimony.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:48 am to Roger Klarvin
I recall a lot of people on TexAgs commenting about seeing the Confederate flag earring-wearing girl on campus.
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All whitewashed away by aggy, no pun intended.
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All whitewashed away by aggy, no pun intended.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:50 am to oman
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1) TAMU student exposed for racists tweets aimed at recuits, posing as Texas fan
don't pretend like this is isolated to A&M.
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2) You do realize that a single internet board is not a particularly good gauge of how much attention is paid, to anything
and don't pretend like its just this board (which is cluttered with longhorns projecting their insecurities on non-rivals that don't care about them).
i guess im out of line, im sure you are just a member of this (SEC) site though and have no idea what goes on at fat ketchs' or shaggy bevo.com
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:53 am to oman
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You do realize that the kids have not recanted their statement?
It's the word of a couple 16 year olds against that of numerous adult eye witnesses between the ages of 18 and 57, including a black professor and many students uninvolved in the verbal confrontation. While the kids have nothing to lose, students and faculty of A&M stand to be dismissed from the University if caught lying.
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The school took the facts, which include statements from kids who claim that the N-word was used, made their findings, and allowed the student to withdraw. Thus, allowing the school to exit the student and still make the finding that the word was not used.
In the end it doesn't matter if a psychotic student used the word n*gger, because there will always be people like that. However when that is used to paint A&M in a certain light it's worth refuting if the evidence indicates it didn't occur.
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Again, you have every right to claim that the student didn't do anything racist, but there are statements that she did use the N-word, and most black kids would find that a white person telling them to go back to where you came from was, indeed, racist.
Making false racial accusations is a rampant exercise in recent years in this country, it's hardly difficult to believe give everything else we see. Especially factoring in whose word is against the claims.
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finding that a reasonable person would not find the action of the student racist and offensive? Or simply that A&M found that she did not use the N-word?ased
The investigation showed a unanimous representation among witnesses of the kids' claims as false. Not one person could be found to corroborate their story.
In a court of law, if every eyewitness says you are lying and no evidence says otherwise, you are considered a liar.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:54 am to texashorn
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when in fact, your school was chock full of draft dodgers
Not one of the seven Congressional Medal of Honor Recipients from A&M during World War II was drafted.
By your standards all of them were "draft-dodgers".
You claim A&M is "belittling the accomplishments of other schools" when you and your ilk are doing EXACTLY THAT regarding A&M.
Do you not realize how fricking stupid you turds sound when you claim that Admiral McRaven accomplished more than anyone that ever came out of A&M?
Not only are you trivializing a gallant career of a fine officer, but you're attempting to use it to belittle others' accomplishments.
If ADM McRaven saw the shite you were doing, he would admonish you, telling you not to use his good name and career as a sick sort of bragging rights attempt.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 12:58 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:54 am to Uncle Gunnysack
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don't pretend like this is isolated to A&M.
and don't pretend like its just this board (which is cluttered with longhorns projecting their insecurities on non-rivals that don't care about them).
i guess im out of line, im sure you are just a member of this (SEC) site though and have no idea what goes on at fat ketchs' or shaggy bevo.com
Why don't you just read what people post, and not worry about what you may think they are "pretending".
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 1:09 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:56 am to Roger Klarvin
Texas A&M truly does not care about the University of Texas.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 12:58 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Texas A&M truly does not care about the University of Texas.
Get the sip trash off the SEC rant and you will see the number of texas threads reduce...unless of course the bayou parasites who start them don't quit.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 1:03 am to texashorn
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I recall a lot of people on TexAgs commenting about seeing the Confederate flag earring-wearing girl on campus.
I have no idea whether she had in confederate flag earrings or not, maybe she did and they took offense to it. What I do know is everyone interviewed the denied kids' claims of racially charged actions or speech.
But again, let's say she did flaunt the earrings and drop a few n bombs despite all evidence saying she didn't. She has a diagnosed psychiatric condition, a history of strange and disturbing behavior and is currently being treated in an inpatient psych facility after (supposedly) trying to kill herself. Is this really the person Texas fans want to pin their racist A&M fantasies on?
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 1:04 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 1:03 am to Roger Klarvin
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The investigation showed a unanimous representation among witnesses of the kids' claims as false. Not one person could be found to corroborate their story.
If witness testimony contradicts other testimony, then it is a fact issue. So we can take it as established that the kids did not recant, and that there is a fact issue.
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In a court of law, if every eyewitness says you are lying and no evidence says otherwise, you are considered a liar.
That's the fricking point. This was not in a court of law. And since this was not in a court of law, the A&M finding is simply a finding based on unsworn testimony. If indeed this had been sworn testimony in a court of law, I would agree that the facts -- contested though they were, were established once the jury or judge makes those findings.
The bottom line is, you've made my point.
It simply is not uncontested that racist comments wee made.
However, agree that A&M found, based on A&M witnesses, that that the HS students who maintained that racist comments were made were not to be believed.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 1:07 am
Posted on 4/24/16 at 1:05 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Get the sip trash off the SEC rant and you will see the number of texas threads reduce...
Your nobility and class is a lesson to us all.
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