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re: Shane Beamer is kind of a tool and completely in the wrong in his spat with Bert
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:07 am to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:07 am to Lonnie Utah
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Notice nobody got hurt. In fact, the whole "Player safety" conversation that Bert raised is a red herring. Because when a player makes the "T-bar" signal, what do the opposing players do? Slow down. The only thing that was endangered of being hurt on that play was Bielema's ego.
Nobody got hurt THIS TIME. The issue is that, moving forward, players won’t trust the t-bar signal. So now you’ll have players blowing each other up full speed on fair catches.
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:08 am to Buryl
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The issue is that, moving forward, players won’t trust the t-bar signal.
That's why there's the fair catch signal.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:10 am to Caimani
I agree he does but hey he fits in with usuk
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:10 am to Lonnie Utah
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That's why there's the fair catch signal.
Which isn’t always visible to every player… this isn’t difficult. I don’t understand why yall are going so hard on this one. It was a shitty play. Not illegal, but wouldn’t be surprised if we see a rule change.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:13 am to Buryl
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Which isn’t always visible to every player
So they can see a T bar signal but can't see the fair catch signal?
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:14 am to Buryl
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I don’t understand why yall are going so hard on this one.
Because of the ethics of it.
Optically, did Beamer make an @$$ of himself? Yes. Was it a bad look? Yes. Was he wrong (like fat bert said)? No.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:16 am to Lonnie Utah
So you cherry picked someone's opinions who l8ned up with yours that's lame as hell
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:17 am to Lonnie Utah
Big Bert won with deception. Hard to imagine but the guy is a decent ball coach. Surprised a lot of people in the ILLini community. Most had this one chalked up as a big loss
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:19 am to Lonnie Utah
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Because of the ethics of it.
Optically, did Beamer make an @$$ of himself? Yes. Was it a bad look? Yes. Was he wrong (like fat bert said)? No.
Well, you've confused two things. Legality and Ethics. Top search result....
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An unethical deed may be against morality but not against the law. An illegal deed is always unethical while an unethical action may or may not be illegal.
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Illegal and unethical are two distinct concepts, although they can sometimes overlap. Illegal refers to actions that are prohibited by law and can result in legal consequences if committed. These actions are deemed unlawful and are typically defined and enforced by the government or legal system. On the other hand, unethical actions are those that are morally wrong or go against accepted principles of conduct.
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I hope this helps you understand the two concepts. You can be acting with low morals and bad ethics while still doing nothing illegal.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:21 am to Lonnie Utah
It wasn't illegal was he wrong yes he was wrong
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:27 am to Lonnie Utah
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So they can see a T bar signal but can't see the fair catch signal?
It’s likely more visible - and increases the probability that the opposing players see at least one of the signals.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:49 am to NickPapageorgio
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may be against morality
Ok then. Who gets to say what's moral or ethical and what isn't? Since everyone has their own moral code, doesn't that default us back to what's LEGAL and what isn't? Isn't that why we have rules to begin with?
And FWIW, I knew this play was coming before they even kicked off Tuesday. Why? Because they ran basically this same play vs Clemson and Dabo didn't say 1 word about it.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:54 am to Lonnie Utah
It's subjective.
For instance, to an atheist there may be nothing that is immoral or unethical.
Yet, to a thinking adult.....lying or going against accepted norms like using a signal common between coaches that indicates an agreement to limit injuries and then injuring a player....would be considered unethical and a trashy, no class move.
For instance, to an atheist there may be nothing that is immoral or unethical.
Yet, to a thinking adult.....lying or going against accepted norms like using a signal common between coaches that indicates an agreement to limit injuries and then injuring a player....would be considered unethical and a trashy, no class move.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:59 am to Buryl
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Nobody got hurt THIS TIME. The issue is that, moving forward, players won’t trust the t-bar signal.
This.
Bigger question is why Beamer went nuts after getting called out on designed play using a signal that communicates you are giving up on the play.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:59 am to NickPapageorgio
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It's subjective.
Ahh. So, Beamer thought it was an ethical. Bert did not. So therefore, what do we have to fall back on. The rulebook.
Just because Bert didn't like it, didn't mean it was wrong. He just got his feelings hurt.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:01 am to Bengalbio
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using a signal that communicates you are giving up on the play.
That would be the fair catch signal, not the "T-bar" signal (which has no official status).
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:06 am to Lonnie Utah
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He just got his feelings hurt.
Actually, a player got hurt.
And you still haven't grasp the two distinct concepts.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:08 am to Lonnie Utah
If Beamer is perfectly okay directing his players to fake an unofficial player safety signal for the sole purpose to deceive an opponent, he should man up and accept being called out on it. All he had to do was just smile and shrug his shoulders. Instead he blew a freaking fuse like a psycho. He’s an embarrassment to himself and his program.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:08 am to NickPapageorgio
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Actually, a player got hurt.
Not on the kickoff. He got hurt later in the game when he was trucked by Sellers.
Here's the kickoff. Notice nobody got hurt. Kinda changes Bert's narrative doesn't it?
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:10 am to ummagumma
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unofficial player safety signal
Key word highlighted.
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