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re: Select 1 all-time SEC player for each position
Posted on 4/6/10 at 3:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
Posted on 4/6/10 at 3:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
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you're wrong, brah.
I love it when people say 'you're wrong' and then offer no evidence whatsoever to back up their assertations. Ask anyone who's followed football for longer than ten years, (and knows a damned thing about the game)and they'll tell you that Don Hutson was the greatest wide reciever to ever come out of the SEC.
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Posted on 4/6/10 at 3:53 pm to NIH
Touche NIH, touche indeed.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 3:56 pm to secfan123
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We are going strictly on 'the best at each position' and that title belongs to Don Hutson at wideout.
you are going to tell me with a straight face that looking ONLY at Hutson's college career, in a bubble, that he was the best COLLEGE WR in SEC history?
He was only a starter for 1 full season at Bama. It was one very good season, but he blossomed in the pros.
eta: and Newsome was a MUCH, MUCH better college player than Hutson.....so the Newsome-Hall comparison doesn't work.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 3:56 pm to secfan123
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I love it when people say 'you're wrong' and then offer no evidence whatsoever to back up their assertations. Ask anyone who's followed football for longer than ten years, (and knows a damned thing about the game)and they'll tell you that Don Hutson was the greatest wide reciever to ever come out of the SEC.
WR Josh Reed
In only two years as a wide receiver (his freshman year he played running back for most of the season and he declared for the NFL draft after his junior season) he rewrote the SEC record books. He holds the SEC record for receiving yardage in a game (293 vs. Alabama in 2001) and season (1,740 in 2001). He also held the career receiving yardage record with 3,001 yards until 2002 when the record was broken by Georgia receiver Terrence Edwards. Reed also holds the SEC season record for receiving yardage per game (145.0 in 2001) and is second in the career receiving yardage per game (96.8).
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:01 pm to RebFeBrees
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A toss-up for what exactly? To see if Jahhmahhhcuz could read a playbook? JR is not even in the discussion as far as I am concerned. And to have Dwayne Bowe on there as an ALL-TIME SEC great?
We're talking about his college preformance (not the pros). I also like Dwayne Bowe because he's a physical receiver with speed. Just my opinion a of right now.
Also i don't think Croom got a raw deal, I just think he did the best he could do with STATE. I mean it's not like Miss State & Starkville are that attractive. The best y'all will ever do is finish 4th in the West and beat the hell out of Ole Miss in the egg bowl.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:04 pm to Emilio7
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Also i don't think Croom got a raw deal, I just think he did the best he could do with STATE. I mean it's not like Miss State & Starkville are that attractive. The best y'all will ever do is finish 4th in the West and beat the hell out of Ole Miss in the egg bowl.
Which explains why Sherill took State to Atlanta, several bowls, and consistently had winning seasons.
The truth is he didn't do the best he could do...he appointed friends to high coaching positions(McCorvey
), inherited 4-6 NFL players yet didn't have a winning season until 2007, and was ridiculously lazy on the recruiting trail. He's a nice guy, but was in over his head from the start. Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:07 pm to Rohan2Reed
way to quote wikipedia Rohan. Its a shade above bleacher report. el tigre, You should do a google search before talking of things you do not know about. Don Hutson was named to All Amrican teams in both his junior and senior seasons.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:08 pm to secfan123
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way to quote wikipedia Rohan. Its a shade above bleacher report.
show me one stat from my post that is wrong.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:10 pm to NIH
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Which explains why Sherill took State to Atlanta, several bowls, and consistently had winning seasons.
The truth is he didn't do the best he could do...he appointed friends to high coaching positions(McCorvey ), inherited 4-6 NFL players yet didn't have a winning season until 2007, and was ridiculously lazy on the recruiting trail. He's a nice guy, but was in over his head from the start.
Lets not try and bring up what Sherill did during the 90's and if I'm not mistaken in his finally four years at Miss State y'all won a grand total of 7 SEC games. I'm not going to even have a conversation anymore about Miss state because that schools football program in completely irrelevant.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:11 pm to Rohan2Reed
Its not about posting stats. Its about falling back on a source that is questionable at best. Besides, stats aren't the only thing to look at it in football. Baseball, maybe, but not football, becuase there are too many variables (how good is supporting cast, what kind of offense is run, what era is it played in etc.) See DJ Hall vs. Ozzie Newsome example posted above.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:12 pm to secfan123
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el tigre, You should do a google search before talking of things you do not know about. Don Hutson was named to All Amrican teams in both his junior and senior seasons.
link? and not some bullshite obscure publication that credits Bama with 73 national titles.
everything i see says only his senior season (1934), and wasn't a starter until late in his junior season.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:13 pm to Emilio7
Sherill did burn out in the end from 01-03...just like many coaches who stay too long in one place. But you completely ignored that from 97-00 State led the SECW in wins and had an appearance in Atlanta, taking that into account I'm assuming you're pretty young or you just started following football once Saban made LSU relavent again.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:13 pm to secfan123
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See DJ Hall vs. Ozzie Newsome example posted above.
uhhhh....Newsome and Hutson are comparable college performers at all. Newsome was a STUD for 4 years in college.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:15 pm to el tigre
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eta: and Newsome was a MUCH, MUCH better college player than Hutson.....so the Newsome-Hall comparison doesn't work.
Explain what Don Hutson has to do with that analogy. Your logic is that Josh Reed had better stats, ergo he must be a better wideout than Don Hutson. My counter to that analogy is that saying just becuase one player has better stats than another does not tell whether the player with better stats is in fact better at that position. By your logic (better stats equal better player) DJ Hall is better than Ozzie Newsome becuase he had better stats. Its bad logic.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:16 pm to el tigre
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El Tigre is correct here. Newsome was amazing.
El Tigre... I am still convinced you are a closet Alabama fan. Just come to the light.
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el tigre
El Tigre is correct here. Newsome was amazing.
El Tigre... I am still convinced you are a closet Alabama fan. Just come to the light.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:19 pm to NIH
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Sherill did burn out in the end from 01-03...just like many coaches who stay too long in one place. But you completely ignored that from 97-00 State led the SECW in wins and had an appearance in Atlanta, taking that into account I'm assuming you're pretty young or you just started following football once Saban made LSU relavent again.
Vagly remember Miss State being top tier in the SEC. With that being said , I started watching college football when DiNardo was in his last year.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:22 pm to secfan123
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By your logic (better stats equal better player) DJ Hall is better than Ozzie Newsome becuase he had better stats. Its bad logic.
Jesus...
my logic is that a player's production over the course of his entire college career, relative to both his peers and all time benchmarks, is the best measure of his greatness. Stats, of course, are one of the best ways to gauge this along with honors such as all-SEC, all-american, records set and still existing,etc.
Hutson falls short not only in stats but also in total body of work in college, postseason awards, cumulative totals, etc.
you are just wrong on this, as this is NOT about pro careers.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:26 pm to el tigre
Doug Atkins > Reggie White in college.
Was named SEC Overall Player of the Quarter Century (1950-1975) and was the only unanimous selection to the SEC 50th anniversary team.
Quite frankly, three of the four Dlineman should be Vols.
Was named SEC Overall Player of the Quarter Century (1950-1975) and was the only unanimous selection to the SEC 50th anniversary team.
Quite frankly, three of the four Dlineman should be Vols.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 4:53 pm to Volmanac
Here's the definitive list right here, no BS:
QB-Crybaby(Florida)
RB-Herschel(UGA)
WR-Josh Reed(LSU)
WR-Ike Hilliard(Florida)
TE-Ozzie Newsome(Alabama)
T-Bob Suffridge(Tennessee)
G-JOhn Hannah(Alabama)
C-Bob Johnson(Tennessee)
G-Chris Samuels(Alabama)
T-Bruiser Kinard(Ole Miss)
DE-Reggie White(Tennessee)
DT-Tracy Rocker(Auburn)
DT-John Henderson(Tennessee)
DE-Doug Atkins(Tennessee)
LB-Derrick Thomas(Alabama)
LB-LeeRoy Jordan(Alabama)
LB-Wilbur Marshall(Florida)
Corner-Champ Bailey(Georgia)
Safety-Terry Hoage(Georgia)
Safety-Eric Berry(Tennessee)
Corner-Tommy Casanova(LSU)
QB-Crybaby(Florida)
RB-Herschel(UGA)
WR-Josh Reed(LSU)
WR-Ike Hilliard(Florida)
TE-Ozzie Newsome(Alabama)
T-Bob Suffridge(Tennessee)
G-JOhn Hannah(Alabama)
C-Bob Johnson(Tennessee)
G-Chris Samuels(Alabama)
T-Bruiser Kinard(Ole Miss)
DE-Reggie White(Tennessee)
DT-Tracy Rocker(Auburn)
DT-John Henderson(Tennessee)
DE-Doug Atkins(Tennessee)
LB-Derrick Thomas(Alabama)
LB-LeeRoy Jordan(Alabama)
LB-Wilbur Marshall(Florida)
Corner-Champ Bailey(Georgia)
Safety-Terry Hoage(Georgia)
Safety-Eric Berry(Tennessee)
Corner-Tommy Casanova(LSU)
Posted on 4/6/10 at 5:02 pm to el tigre
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my logic is that a player's production over the course of his entire college career, relative to both his peers and all time benchmarks, is the best measure of his greatness. Stats, of course, are one of the best ways to gauge this along with honors such as all-SEC, all-american, records set and still existing,etc.
Player's production ie stats. Again, if stats were all that mattered, then DJ Hall would be better than Ozzie Newsome becuase his stats, ie 'production' was better. Again, its bad logic.
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