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Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:39 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:39 pm to Alahunter
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So now you agree with me that it's a just tool? I guess if you can't win an argument or have come to the realization that your argument was flawed, the best solution is to hilight what someone said, agree and say I win.
Nope.
I was just waiting on the win at all costs/oversigning is okay as long as we are winning mentality to show thru.
And it did!
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Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:40 pm to smelvis
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Nope.
I was just waiting on the win at all costs/oversigning is okay as long as we are winning mentality to show thru.
And it did!
Three degrees and you think setting up straw man and knocking it down is a winner?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:41 pm to Tiger Authority
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Three degrees and you think setting up straw man and knocking it down is a winner?
How was it a straw man?
And please reference my response to you earlier.
What's your reaction if it's your kid?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:41 pm to smelvis
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But I think it perverts the intention of the scholarship system when you offer a kid a scholarship that will pay for his education, even if it's based on his athletic ability, and then pull that scholarship because he couldn't beat another guy for PT on the field.
But this poses the total double standard involving academic scholarships. And this double standard seems pretty unethical and unfair to me.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:43 pm to Tiger Authority
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But this poses the total double standard involving academic scholarships. And this double standard seems pretty unethical and unfair to me.
Okay, and that's another argument for another time.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:43 pm to smelvis
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You've got a son, he's a solid D1 prospect with offers from several schools. He signs with one, lingers at third string for a year, but has decent grades, is a good kid. And he loses his schollie so another kid can come in who might be better and contribute more to the football team.
What's your reaction?
My reaction is that he's now forced to act as every other student at every other school that must figure out a way to pay his own way. This could involve a job, financial aid, etc. I'm familiar with this route, I was once a student.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:45 pm to smelvis
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Okay, and that's another argument for another time.
But you've continued to state that it's unethical and unfair. There are certainly cases where a kid is cut loose and it is unfair. I would not call this the norm and I would like for a coach to stand by every scholarship. But academic standards for those students, based on your stance on athletic scholarships, should be given regardless of performance. And that doesn't make much sense.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:45 pm to Tiger Authority
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My reaction is that he's now forced to act as every other student at every other school that must figure out a way to pay his own way. This could involve a job, financial aid, etc. I'm familiar with this route, I was once a student.
Fair enough then.
I would be raising holy hell if I, or my kid, was promised a free education, which is what the scholarship says (there are no requirements for PT or performance, FYI), and then it was yanked because he was a third stringer.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:46 pm to Tiger Authority
Or he could transfer to another school, maintain that athletic scholarship elsewhere where his talents are more in line with that university athletic scholarship, and graduate from that school.
People make a big deal out of Elliot Porter, but at the end of the day, what's the difference between a degree at LSU or a degree at Kentucky? Nothing. He was just upset because we're a superior athletic program, and now he's back.
People make a big deal out of Elliot Porter, but at the end of the day, what's the difference between a degree at LSU or a degree at Kentucky? Nothing. He was just upset because we're a superior athletic program, and now he's back.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:47 pm to Tiger Authority
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But you've continued to state that it's unethical and unfair. There are certainly cases where a kid is cut loose and it is unfair. I would not call this the norm and I would like for a coach to stand by every scholarship. But academic standards for those students, based on your stance on athletic scholarships, should be given regardless of performance. And that doesn't make much sense.
Based on the way athletic scholarships are set up and presented to recruits and their families, it is unethical. There is no clause in the scholarships that requires a certain level of athletic performance. It is for kids to play football and get an education and as long as those kids are making satisfactory academic progress, at 95% of the schools in the country, the scholarship is honored.
Why should a few schools be different?
Winning?
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:48 pm to Alahunter
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You are getting destroyed by a host of posters in here. You should stop while your behind.
You should see how they handle him on oversigning.com under his other name. The comments following the articles are solid gold, lol.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:48 pm to smelvis
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Fair enough then.
I would be raising holy hell if I, or my kid, was promised a free education, which is what the scholarship says (there are no requirements for PT or performance, FYI), and then it was yanked because he was a third stringer.
If your kid could get into any SEC school on a football scholarship, he could find another lesser university that would give him a scholarship for football, and allow him the opportunity to graduate.
There are a lot of superior academic schools that aren't in the SEC that would be happy to offer any player on any roster in the SEC an athletic scholarship.
IMO, this really isn't about academics at all but being upset over being slighted by a university when they failed to fulfill their end of the bargain.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:48 pm to attheua
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You should see how they handle him on oversigning.com under his other name.
I don't post on oversigning.com, FWIW.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:49 pm to Tiger Authority
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IMO, this really isn't about academics at all but being upset over being slighted by a university when they failed to fulfill their end of the bargain.
And there's the ethical implication.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:49 pm to smelvis
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Based on the way athletic scholarships are set up and presented to recruits and their families, it is unethical. There is no clause in the scholarships that requires a certain level of athletic performance. It is for kids to play football and get an education and as long as those kids are making satisfactory academic progress, at 95% of the schools in the country, the scholarship is honored.
Why should a few schools be different?
Winning?
It's discretionary. But if in year three you have never seen the field and you have five tackles in extra duty against your homecoming opponent, you haven't lived up to that athletic scholarship.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:50 pm to smelvis
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IMO, this really isn't about academics at all but being upset over being slighted by a university when they failed to fulfill their end of the bargain.
And there's the ethical implication.
No, there's reality for you.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:51 pm to Tiger Authority
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It's discretionary.
Not at the overwhelming majority of D-1 schools. If you're staying in line academically and out of trouble, your schollie is honored.
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But if in year three you have never seen the field and you have five tackles in extra duty against your homecoming opponent, you haven't lived up to that athletic scholarship.
Then add a clause to your scholarships, because it isn't there in either LSU or Alabama's, FWIW.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:52 pm to smelvis
this thread looks to be going swimmingly
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:53 pm to smelvis
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It's discretionary.
Not at the overwhelming majority of D-1 schools. If you're staying in line academically and out of trouble, your schollie is honored
It's discretionary regarding the athletic scholarship. But the numbers are still there to prove the point.
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Then add a clause to your scholarships, because it isn't there in either LSU or Alabama's, FWIW.
That's just an example. Some may be leaders off the field, some may not be. The point is, we give the judgment to the coach to perform as he sees fit. If an English teacher doesn't like a paper, he has the discretion to fail that student. Coach as the same discretion.
Posted on 5/23/11 at 4:57 pm to Tiger Authority
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But the numbers are still there to prove the point.
The numbers prove that most NCAA D-1 schools honor their scholarships.
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If an English teacher doesn't like a paper, he has the discretion to fail that student. Coach as the same discretion.
Not in accord with the NCAA's intent for the schollies "coach" doesn't.
And that's why they're now monitoring the practice and why the SEC document contains the matter.
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