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re: Reason for Arkansas' Future Struggle

Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:11 pm to
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Arkansas defense was average.Never had a top 25 defense. More like a bend don't break.

I mean we did play a 100 point 7 overtime game. You would be the expert in the matter. That defense just always seemed so good because our offense was so awful. I think that as long as we hold on to Austin and Nix, we will compete for the SEC west.
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:12 pm to
So what? He coached in a weaker conference and lost against Top 25 teams. You think he'll perform better in a better conference against stiffer competition?

If I use that logic then I'll say this, Coach Nutt has only coached one season at Ole Miss. Who's to say his recruiting won't be good?

We're using Hog fan logic. Based off Nutt's prior recruiting ratings, he'll not succeed. Based off Petrino's performance against Top 25 Big Least teams, he'll fail miserably in the SEC.

Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:15 pm to
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So what? He coached in a weaker conference and lost against Top 25 teams.

Please Post the record.

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If I use that logic then I'll say this, Coach Nutt has only coached one season at Ole Miss. Who's to say his recruiting won't be good?

He has been in the secwest for 11 years.



Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25815 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:16 pm to
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I disagree. Arkansas had a damn good defense in the Matt Jones era. The reason I think Nutt is so succsessful is because he has better OC's with Austin and Nix than he ever had at Arkansas. (except Malzahn)



Their defense has been pretty decent... they held our high scoring '03 squad to 19 points in our own stadium.

Maybe the Arky defense has been overshadowed by the high flying offense that got all the press clippings, but I'm not sure they've ever had a scoring defense that was near the top of the SEC.

They have put their fair share of defenders in the NFL.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:16 pm to
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I mean we did play a 100 point 7 overtime game.

I aged during that season. I think we played kentucky 7 ots that year and tenn 3 ots.
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
5540 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:17 pm to
Pioneer, look up the record.

Pioneer, again... I know it's hard for you to grasp concepts and what not.. the SEC West is tougher than the Big East. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying he's only coached in the West one year. How does that mean he would have success against Top 25 talent when he didn't have success at Louisville while coaching in the Conference USA and Big East?
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
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Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:18 pm to
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PharmacistReb

I'm done with you.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26189 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 12:18 pm to
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He has been in the secwest for 11 years.

I say you have to wait a couple years on that (new staff, better in-state talent, ect)
Same thing with Petrino:
You can't judge Petrino off of what he did at Louisville. He's in a completely different sitiuation now. One of the reasons he did poorly against top 25 teams is because his teams were always overrated talentwise because of how good of a coach he was. Now he'll have some talent. Let's wait and see what he does.
Posted by hogbody
Fayetteville
Member since Oct 2008
4920 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 1:05 pm to
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Now, explain why Petrino will all of a sudden have a knack for beating Top 25 opponents


So you're only arguement is record against top 25? Wow what a good argument.

Petrino's record against top 25 since '04 is 6-6, and 4-3 before this last year at Arkansas. So what's your point?
This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 1:06 pm
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
139098 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 1:40 pm to
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They got to keep Mallett out trouble. Kind of has a little RP in him.

link?
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
5540 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 3:04 pm to
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I'm done with you.


That's what I expected.

I mean, you don't have to openly concede defeat to me on this board. I know this is where all of your closest friends are. It's a little embarassing to go down like that.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 3:24 pm to
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That's what I expected.

I mean, you don't have to openly concede defeat to me on this board. I know this is where all of your closest friends are. It's a little embarassing to go down like that.


You're an idiot!

We will see in the coming years which program was better off. (Arkansas or Ole Miss)
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 3:26 pm to
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So has Boise State but I wouldn't like their odds week in and week out against LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabma, Florida, etc.


that logic is atrocious
Posted by HogInParaloma
Ark-La-Tex
Member since Jun 2004
182 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 4:32 pm to
Arkansas is not Louisville.
The SEC is not the Big East.
Houston is a shitty recruiter.


My logic says Ole Miss should join the Big East and you should STFU.
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
5540 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 4:51 pm to
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that logic is atrocious


So Boise going to a BCS would make them a team that could compete with the SEC week in and week out?

You know, if you're going to go out on a limb and use a word that's big for your normal vocab, you might want to use it where it's warranted. Whether you like what I have to say or not, I think most people with any sense at all would agree that Boise could not compete in the SEC.

What's atrocious is your attempt at the usage of the word atrocious to sound intellectual.
This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 4:53 pm
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
5540 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 4:52 pm to
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The SEC is not the Big East.


Point 1 and Point 2 pretty much negate themselves and then your third point is a BS subjective idea that you have for yourself.

The SEC is not the Big East. Thus, the Big East is inferior. Arkansas is not Louisville. Thus Louisville is inferior.

That means if you compare what Louisville is to the Big East and what Arkansas is to the SEC, he's still going to have trouble winning against Top 25 talent.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
139098 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 5:03 pm to
Good job replying to people that log off.
Posted by Go Hogs ftw
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2009
169 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 5:14 pm to
You keep talking about Petrino's record against the top 25. I'd be curious to see what Houston Nutt's record against the top 25 is, and what his record against SEC opponents not in the top 25.
Posted by woopiginaustin
Moderator
Member since Jun 2008
8590 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 5:57 pm to
Facts regarding Houston Nutt:

-Before leaving Arkansas, he was the longest tenured BCS coach without a BCS Bowl. He is still waiting on one of those.

-Nutt typically has recruiting classes between #30 and #50. Ironically, this is where his teams finish every year.

-Nutt won the West twice in ten years. Both times were tie breakers that took a Matt Jones Miracle Bomb and Bama being on probation.

-Nutt coached two backs that have more all-purpose yards than any two backs in the history of the game (Jones & McFadden). They were blocked by NFL Fullback and Rookie stand out Peyton Hillis and Rimington Award winner Jonathon Luigs. What was Nutts record in SEC play with the most successful backfield in the history of the game? Exactly .500.

-Ever looked at his Bowl record? Record in Atlanta? Record against Top 25 teams? Road record? If you haven't, you should. It's laughable.

-Nutt's pride, arrogance, and unprofessional behavior ran off USC standout Damian Williams, 5 Star QB Mitch Mustian who was 8-0 in the SEC, and back to back Rivals OC of the Year recipient Gus Malzahn who has revolutionized the game with the "reintroduction" of the Wildcat formation.

Nutt is a douche, a used car salesman, and the list could go on and on. If Ole Miss thinks he will ever take them farther than a Cotton or Independence Bowl then they should probably stop hitting the pipe because his whole career says otherwise.

This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19580 posts
Posted on 1/29/09 at 7:16 pm to
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Because it's always assumed that Nutt will fail as a recruiter


There's no assumption. You keep losing credibility little man.

Nutt's recruiting classes SUCK.. Somewhere lower than 40 just like this year.
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