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Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:09 pm to WDE24
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So a random website counts now?
@ the CFDW being a "random website."
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:09 pm to WDE24
What's wrong with a split title?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:09 pm to WDE24
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Yes, but then at some point it quit tracking the Dickinson became the Rose Bowl trophy. It had no independent rankings mechanism for declaring a National Champion, it simply was given to the Rose Bowl champ at some point.
Right. When Knute Rockne died in 1931 the Knute Rockne Trophy was created....Dickinson used the Rockne trophy from then on.
However, the awarding of the Rissman trophy was still used as a signifying national champion. Here is another photo of the 1932 awarding of the Rissman (now separate from Dickinson) to USC, who won the Rose Bowl.
Rissman Trophy Given To Southern California Football Champs In Final Grid Rally. The Rissman trophy was presented to the University of Southern California for the achievements of it's football team. With thousands of cheering students looking on Jack Rissman, donor of the award bearing his name, emblematic of the national football championship, made the presentation in the Administration Hall on the University campus, Jan. 6th. Photo Shows--Left To Right--Orville Mohler, student President; Dr. R. B. Von Keeinsmid, President of the University of Southern California; Jack Rissman, donor of the trophy; Capt. Tay Brown of the Trojan Eleven; Willis O. Hunter, Athletic Director and Coach Howard Jones.
BTW, USC counts this year as a national championship even though they didn't win the Dickinson (Michigan did)
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:09 pm to crimsonian
quote:Well, I will admit that the random website not associated with the NCAA list them in 1934. Based on the statements made, I was wrong on that part.
Now you admit you we're wrong.
quote:I'm not crying. Frankly, I don't even know how I got sucked into this. I don't care if you claim 34 national championships. I just found the touting the Rissman trophy based on the Dickinson system to be misleading given that Dickinson never named Bama national champs.
Keep crying.
quote:I should be.
You are better at that.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bama has more national championships handed to them than anyone.
FIFY
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to FlukerFlakes
quote:That is the point. Rissman started going to the Rose Bowl Champion and it was the Rose Bowl who declared their champ the National Champions. That is dubious at best, IMO.
to USC, who won the Rose
ETA: However, Alabama, just like Minnesota was undefeated that year, so I don't care if you want to claim it. Just don't mess with our 1993 and 2004 National Championships.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:13 pm to WDE24
The Rose Bowl champ was never the national champ. That is a myth that Bama fans created and continue to perpetuate because it helps their claim to the 1925 and 1926 NC.
The truth is that the best team in the country in 1925 was Dartmouth, a team that refused to play in the Rose Bowl because it would eat into their Christmas holiday.
When Bama beat Washington, it was not considered a matchup of the two best teams in the country. And yet, Bama comes home and claims a NC. They will tell you that the B-Ham newspapers declared them NC. fricking great. Tell that to Dartmouth.
The truth is that the best team in the country in 1925 was Dartmouth, a team that refused to play in the Rose Bowl because it would eat into their Christmas holiday.
When Bama beat Washington, it was not considered a matchup of the two best teams in the country. And yet, Bama comes home and claims a NC. They will tell you that the B-Ham newspapers declared them NC. fricking great. Tell that to Dartmouth.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:14 pm to TxTiger82
Except 1925 and 26 are both recognized by the NCAA and CFDW.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:16 pm to WDE24
Why are we still debating this? The school saw a marketing potential and took it...now a bunch of schools have. I don't personally own anything that references 12 or 14 or 9 or whatever. UA has a shite-ton, who gives a damn how many it is? It is more than damn near everyone else.
The important thing is that 3 out of 4 could be sealed in Miami....AND that is what I'm focused on.
The important thing is that 3 out of 4 could be sealed in Miami....AND that is what I'm focused on.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:17 pm to TxTiger82
Dartmouth can claim it as well. I'm not that greedy.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:17 pm to tom1987
We get compared with Notre Dame. Your program is historically comparable to Clemson's. Get the picture?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:17 pm to TxTiger82
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The Rose Bowl champ was never the national champ. That is a myth that Bama fans created and continue to perpetuate because it helps their claim to the 1925 and 1926 NC.
LOL
you are clueless about this and just regurgitate crap you've read from that Auburn made geocities website about Bama's national titles.
The same things you are saying bama does, is exactly the claims that USC uses to claim their early national titles.....the Helms poll. Bama won the Helms in both 1925 and 1926.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:18 pm to USMC Gators
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Except 1925 and 26 are both recognized by the NCAA and CFDW.
The NCAA does not recognize champions in FBS college football and never has. That is a fact.
The fact is that no national championship existed back then, so any organization that awarded Bama a NC did so retroactively.
Dartmouth was widely considered the best team AT THE TIME. Here is a good read on the subject:
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There is no question that Dartmouth was much more impressive than Alabama, which is why they were considered the mythical national champion at the time. Alabama's games against Georgia Tech and Mississippi State look quite bad compared to Dartmouth's results. However, Alabama did do something Dartmouth did not-- they defeated a top 10 caliber team. Dartmouth barely defeated a top 25 caliber team-- Cornell didn't do much this season aside from beating good-but-unrated 6-3-1 Columbia 17-14. On the other hand, Columbia did beat 7-2 Army 21-7, who beat 7-2-1 Notre Dame 27-0, who beat Georgia Tech 13-0 on the road.
LINK
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:19 pm to FlukerFlakes
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you are clueless
Trust me. I know a lot more about this than you do.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:20 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Helms in both 1925 and 1926.
Which was founded in 1936. See above post.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:20 pm to TxTiger82
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The NCAA does not recognize champions in FBS college football and never has. That is a fact.
The fact is that no national championship existed back then, so any organization that awarded Bama a NC did so retroactively.
Dartmouth was widely considered the best team AT THE TIME. Here is a good read on the subject:
Sure about that?
LINK
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:21 pm to FlukerFlakes
Alabama v. Washington would have been like a #5 vs. #8 matchup. And yet, Bama claims a NC from it.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:23 pm to USMC Gators
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Sure about that?
Positive. Just because they put a list on their website doesn't mean they officially recognize a national champion on the FBS level.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:25 pm to TxTiger82
So you are giving Bama at least 12 then, since that is what the NCAA does recognize.
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