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Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:22 pm to OldSulRoss
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:22 pm to OldSulRoss
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I don't even know if Arkansas is a top 25 job in the country. So long as you're constantly trying to pull in talent from Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana and points surrounding because your talent pool is small, you're not in a great spot.
The University of Okla-fricking-sixtoe-homa says hi.
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Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:23 pm to Bamainozarks
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So why is a program that was never successful in the big 12 going to be in the sec? I'm just asking for the logic.
Standard logic is that being in the SEC will lead to them getting all the top recruits in Texas over the Longhorns therefore becoming the top team in Texas. Nevermind the fact that they just went from being the 4th best program in their previous conference to being 7th or 8th in their current conference.
They could definitely become a player in the SEC but I imagine it is going to be a lot harder than many of them imagine.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:23 pm to OldSulRoss
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cause you frickers sold us a bottle of snake oil named "Dennis F. Franchione's Magical Elixir" that kicked my program in the wolfman nards for like a decade.
The truth is some funny shite.Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:23 pm to Bamainozarks
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So why is a program that was never successful in the big 12 going to be in the sec? I'm just asking for the logic.
First, you probably should get your facts straight before you try to apply logic.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:26 pm to Bamainozarks
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So why is a program that was never successful in the big 12 going to be in the sec? I'm just asking for the logic.
That's just my opinion. The only SEC team in Texas, huge fan support, largest student population in the SEC, and good history are ingredients for being a great program.
It's their first year in the SEC. Arkansas and USCe have both tasted success* in their SEC tenures.
*success is determined by school. (cotton bowl=dream season for MSU, down season for LSU)
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:34 pm to Bamainozarks
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A&M will never be a great job. Texas and Oklahoma will always get the best talent out of Texas. Playing in the sec west doesn't help either.
Plus LSU will be exposed throughout Texas, and that's not good for A&M.
I know this thread has mainly turned into an "initiate the dumb Aggie who doesn't understand the Rant" but this type of stuff is just wrong.
A&M OWNED Texas and OU in recruiting from the mid 80's to the later '90s. It wasn't cheating either, all the schools were cheating back then (and let's face it, they are just more creative now in finding the loopholes). A&M was winning and when A&M is winning it is an incredibly attractive destination and will always be an attractive job. It's the only SEC school in Texas. It has the largest student population in the SEC. It has gobs of money. It has more future FBS players within 250 miles of campus than any other school in the country, it's a rarity that a recruit or a coach flies in an airplane (helicopter is a different story though). A&M is the closest AQ school to the city of Houston where 5% of the players in the NFL are from. A degree from A&M also is a very valuable commodity both because of the academic reputation of the school and the Former Student Network. A&M has about 370k former students and they may be weird but they are loyal and rich. A&M is also now more politically powerful than Texas and they got a hard lesson when they tried for about 48 hours to stop us from going to the SEC only to see their lackey in the Legislature get slapped silly and quickly run for cover.
Yes, A&M has been epic suckage for a decade but coaches and recruits go to where the future is and not the past. Last year A&M manhandled OU in recruiting and was right there with Texas. This year is the same story. The key of course is winning but that's the key for everyone. If A&M wins an SEC Title at some point they will become a monster as fast as UF did in the '90s, maybe faster.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:38 pm to cbi8
I don't doubt they will have successful teams. I just feel they will not have the long term success they think is coming. To think Texas and Oklahoma will not get the best talent out of Texas is crazy. Kids don't care near as much about the sec vs the big 12 as fans think they do.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:38 pm to aggressor
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:42 pm to Bamainozarks
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To think Texas and Oklahoma will not get the best talent out of Texas
We recruited better than OU for 2012 and we are destroying them in 2013. Their 2013 class is straight hot garbage right now.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:45 pm to Hawgeye
Auburn does exist in Alabama's shadow. That 2010 title was book-ended by two of Alabama's. It's completely in the shadows by now. Deal with it. 
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:45 pm to Bamainozarks
Have you seen Oklahoma's recruiting recently? They aren't getting the Texas talent recently that they have historically.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:49 pm to Bamainozarks
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So why is a program that has never been successful in the big 12 going to be in the sec? I'm just asking for the logic.
The real question is how A&M managed to NOT be successful in the Big 12?
First off, A&M was very successful in the SWC and then early on in the Big 12. Problem was we got complacent and got behind on facilities. A&M didn't have a losing season from 1984-2002 and built up a trophy case of Conference Titles. RC Slocum was a great guy but he thought the internet was the devil and Stoops and Brown came in fast and hard and took the momentum. A&M reacted quickly but made a monster mistake with the Fran hire. Fran just destroyed the program. By the time they brought in Sherman he basically started from scratch. 2010 was a solid year for A&M and then last year was a disaster. The key though is Sumlin is taking over a team with a lot of talent and momentum going in to the SEC which is a huge game changer in Texas.
BTW, A&M actually doesn't even need to beat out Texas in recruiting to be successful. They just have to keep OU and LSU out. The state is loaded with talent and A&M is a Flagship school in the state, older and larger than Texas. OU is screwed with the A&M move and the "new Big 12". They will have a very hard time getting kids South of Dallas anymore. You will see a lot of A&M/LSU battles continue to rage but if A&M can show it can beat LSU at some point they will win that virtually every time with a Texas kid much as LSU has a huge edge over A&M on a Louisiana kid (though we are making inroads).
5 year records or even 10 year records really mean little in the big picture. It's about geography and resources over the long term.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:51 pm to aggressor
virtually lol
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:52 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Standard logic is that being in the SEC will lead to them getting all the top recruits in Texas over the Longhorns therefore becoming the top team in Texas. Nevermind the fact that they just went from being the 4th best program in their previous conference to being 7th or 8th in their current conference.
They could definitely become a player in the SEC but I imagine it is going to be a lot harder than many of them imagine.
Unfortunately, the perception of A&M has been dominated by the 2000s and not by the 1990s, but I get that.
And for what it's worth, I agree with you that it is going to be extremely hard to get near the top of the heap in the SEC. But that all starts with a great coach or a transcendent player. See Cam Newton, Tim Tebow; See Nick Saban, Spurrier, Meyer.
We're hoping Sumlin is the dude, and if not Sumlin, then Manziel.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 5:58 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Easy big fella!! I'm not saying A&M can't beat Texas and OU and even LSU in recruiting for a year or two. Let's just give it a few years and let the new to the sec thing die down a little and see what happens. IMHO Traditional programs seem to maintain success long term regardless if they are in the Big12, PAC12, SEC or whatever.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 6:00 pm to 870Hog
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Hell Ole Miss is more attractive than A&M
Posted on 9/18/12 at 6:00 pm to Bamainozarks
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I'm not saying A&M can't beat Texas and OU and even LSU in recruiting for a year or two.
We really don't need to beat Texas. Beating OU is key and beating out LSU for a few players as well. I agree though, we need to capitalize on the novelty now and then turn the recruiting success into on-field success.
Posted on 9/18/12 at 6:01 pm to dallasCONSTag
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A&M - (Tons of $$
....yet you still beg for money to buy bulbs for your stadium lettering sign
That's some weak arse shite right there.....
Posted on 9/18/12 at 6:03 pm to aggressor
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I know this thread has mainly turned into an "initiate the dumb Aggie who doesn't understand the Rant" but this type of stuff is just wrong.
A&M OWNED Texas and OU in recruiting from the mid 80's to the later '90s. It wasn't cheating either, all the schools were cheating back then (and let's face it, they are just more creative now in finding the loopholes). A&M was winning and when A&M is winning it is an incredibly attractive destination and will always be an attractive job. It's the only SEC school in Texas. It has the largest student population in the SEC. It has gobs of money. It has more future FBS players within 250 miles of campus than any other school in the country, it's a rarity that a recruit or a coach flies in an airplane (helicopter is a different story though). A&M is the closest AQ school to the city of Houston where 5% of the players in the NFL are from. A degree from A&M also is a very valuable commodity both because of the academic reputation of the school and the Former Student Network. A&M has about 370k former students and they may be weird but they are loyal and rich. A&M is also now more politically powerful than Texas and they got a hard lesson when they tried for about 48 hours to stop us from going to the SEC only to see their lackey in the Legislature get slapped silly and quickly run for cover.
Yes, A&M has been epic suckage for a decade but coaches and recruits go to where the future is and not the past. Last year A&M manhandled OU in recruiting and was right there with Texas. This year is the same story. The key of course is winning but that's the key for everyone. If A&M wins an SEC Title at some point they will become a monster as fast as UF did in the '90s, maybe faster.
This is very well said, well done..
Posted on 9/18/12 at 6:08 pm to dallasCONSTag
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12 posts
I was OK w/ 5 posts and even 6 posts. But this 12 posts is WAAAAAAY TOO DAMN MANY.
Slowly step away from the keyboard.... and kill yourself.
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