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re: Lutz tragedy likely the result of DUI.

Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:28 pm to
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Exactly why I asked my previous question, is it necessary to put that data point out there when he wasn't the one driving?


No it's not

half the media or more are scumbags
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

The writer needs ppl to read the story


Exactly, I don't care if his BAC was .655. He tied one on. There is no crime in that. There is no crime in being a drunk passenger. Some jackass wants hits to his site and some people just want to judge.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Member since Nov 2013
43232 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:40 pm to
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Exactly, I don't care if his BAC was .655. He tied one on. There is no crime in that. There is no crime in being a drunk passenger. Some jackass wants hits to his site and some people just want to judge.


agreed

Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11038 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:47 pm to
I find it disturbing they published Lutz's BAC. There was zero reason to. He wasn't the driver.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:19 pm to
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At .377, maybe Lutz didn't feel a thing. May have been unconcious in the first place.

Unless he was a raging alcoholic, probably so At his approx weight, to get a .30 requires 15 drinks in 1 hour.
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:25 pm to
You're either stupid or just a POS troll.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11038 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:41 pm to
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You're either stupid or just a POS troll.



Why do you say that? It is true, unless he was a heavy drinker on the reg, he probably was blacked out. At 255 pounds, it takes a shite ton of alcohol to get to .377.

Regardless, it's unfortunate they published his BAC.
Posted by beaver
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:44 pm to
I drank with Lutz a good bit

I never saw him drink to this excess

It's a shame this is published and some sort of talking point for ESPN
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:07 pm to
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You're either stupid or just a POS troll.


HERE ya go, you ignorant piece of shite. It takes a little math to calc the numbers of .37....that is if you can do simple math.
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:12 pm to
Concerning where they were, and the time of night, this comes as no surprise to those that have had any sort of "partying" history.

To be honest, it makes it more sad. For those that went to school, had a great partying experience, and have "great stories" to tell, this is just an example of a great night turning tragic.

How many "stupid" decisions have you made that could have ended up like this? Assuming a lot of yall had a great college, SEC experience, the answer is probably an overwhelming, "yes."

I've tried bad things, done some dumb shite, gone places I haven't, screwed girls I shouldn't, and drank way too much when such a decision was beyond reckless.

I also, have several degrees; one in law, and another soon to be an MBA.

It goes to show a lot of us get lucky, and are very blessed. I really hope those that throw udgement can understand good people do otherwise dumb things.

A lot of us are just a hell of a lot luckier than Lutize.

RIP, kiddo.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:15 pm to

I'm not a scientist but I do know that often in legal cases the post mortem blood test have been questioned on accuracy for at the time of death based off the belief that the body produces alcohol after death or the blood may be contaminated by bacteria. Now no way does that account for this level but maybe someone smarter than me can explain if there is any validity to the argument that the level increases after death.

Or does that only apply to delayed collection?
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:21 pm to
You are making your assumption based off your math that he obtained that .377 in 1 hour. You have no idea at what time he started drinking or what time he stopped drinking.

But you still assumed and stated that he was a raging alcoholic. That is why I called you a POS or a troll.

You have 1 variable in an equation that requires 2, to get the 3rd number.
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:23 pm to
Life is a flip of a coin. You and I were both just lucky.

Unfortunately, a really good kid wasn't....
Posted by diretiger
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:34 pm to
I am almost completely ignorant about forensic science, but is it possible that blood loss from the accident could have contributed to this shocking number? I feel like if he had recently been drinking then lost a lot of blood before his body had fully processed what he was drinking it could drastically inflate BAC. If an expert can help it would be appreciated, since I just can't imagine a guy his size reaching a .377 under any normal circumstance
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:34 pm to
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There is no crime in being a drunk passenger.


False. If the driver gets pulled over, a drunk passenger can be charged with public intox.
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:43 pm to
While inside the vehicle?
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:49 pm to
He probably had a lot of shots right before he left the bar
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:50 pm to
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While inside the vehicle?


Yes.
Posted by NbamaTiger90
Member since Sep 2012
1752 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:01 pm to
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Yes.


quote:

In Georgia, public intoxication (or “public drunkenness”) means appearing in an intoxicated condition in a public place (or on private property without permission), and
being boisterous, vulgar, profane, or loud, or
appearing in an indecent condition (such as nude or partially nude) or performing an indecent act (such as public urination).
“Private property” includes the land and buildings surrounding a private dwelling. This means that a defendant who, for example, stumbles into or passes out in someone’s back yard while drunk may be arrested for the crime of public drunkenness even though the person was not technically in public.


I think you are mistaken.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:02 pm to
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You are making your assumption based off your math that he obtained that .377 in 1 hour.

I'll type slowly so you can keep up. I never said that, I said:
quote:

At his approx weight, to get a .30 requires 15 drinks in 1 hour.


Note this chart:

LINK

Note the "Time", "Weight", and "BAC". Drinks per hour, weight, and resulting BAC.

Then you said:
quote:

But you still assumed and stated that he was a raging alcoholic.


I was responding to the question:
quote:

May have been unconcious in the first place.


With this:
quote:

Unless he was a raging alcoholic, probably so


Unless he was a raging alcoholic, he was probably unconscious. I never said he was an alcoholic.

You are one stupid illiterate piece of shite.
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