re: Let's examine this high flying, potent Arkansas offense

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And also...our yards are down due to your terrific point of short fields due to defense...it all flows logically

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Very good point.

But you also have more opportunities given your defenses ability to get the offense off the field in short order.

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Obviously, points are the best measure to gauge wins and losses. Wins and losses encompass offense, defense, and special teams.

Yards is the only measure that is a strict measure of offensive success.

Look at it this way. Let's say, hypothetically, that LSU had the best defense ever known to man and scored 5 defensive touchdown every game. That would be 35 points a game and at the top of the SEC in scoring. And then let's say that the offense was equally bad, never scoring any points. LSU would avg 35 points a game. So you're saying that the offense would be one of the best in the league, right?

Points is a simplistic measure.

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I agree that points do not tell the story when there are defensive and special teams TD included as part of the total score.

But when it comes to offense you are being simplistic when you say that yards is a strict measure of offensive success.

1. Case in point - West Virginia against LSU.

Chavis played them exactly as they should be. He let them have the yards but more often than not they ended in Punts/Turnovers/Interceptions/Fumbles than TDS.

2. When LSU has a short field because of a great Defense - it is impossible even if they were the 90's cowboys to generate more offensive yards than what was available.

Similarly when Arkansas has a long field - and it necessitates their going for long drives, doesn't mean that those numbers reflect a successful offense unless if all those drives result in points.

As recently as this past saturday - Bama was great between the 20s but couldn't go do squat with those yards.

So yes points are simplistic measurement for an offense but it is far better than yards.

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Once again. Yards is the only measure that is a strict measure of offensive success.

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I think you keep using the word "success" incorrectly. I'm pretty sure the goal of the offense is to score points. When you score that is a success. There is no award for most yards gained.

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I agree that points do not tell the story when there are defensive and special teams TD included as part of the total score.

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Thank you.

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So yes points are simplistic measurement for an offense but it is far better than yards.

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Don't see it that way. My hypothetical I posed being the number 1 reason.

Like I said, points are the best representation of TEAM success (Offense, defense, and special teams).

Yards is the best measure of offensive proficiency (unless they've got an offensive efficiency rating or someshit. I don't have time to keep up with all of these newfangled stats they've come up with over the years).

Here's another one:

Who's a better running back? Tim Tebow or Darren McFadden? Obviously it's Tebow, right? He scored more rushing TD's.

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it is impossible even if they were the 90's cowboys to generate more offensive yards than what was available.

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Not really.

Let's say LSU forces a 3 and out every time. They get the ball om the 50. They would still have a very good shot of accumulating more yards than anyone. They'd have more opportunities.

Whereas Arkansas' defense lets the opposition stay on the field for huge chunks of the game, taking opportunities away from the offense.

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scar's offense is pretty terrible right now. i wouldn't use that as a barometer. i would be much more worried about the showings against vandy and ole miss.

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How come they were able to amass the same number of rushing yards, just a week earlier, against Tennessee as LSU?

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Points are the best measure of team success (outside of W/Ls), given it pulls together offense, defense, and special teams.

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I didn't ignore it, none of us (including yourself) stated it.

I just think it's illogical to use yards and yards only to determine the success-fulness/effectiveness of an offense. It carries weight but not all of it. If you want let's try to assign a measurable amount of input that different aspects contribute. I would think (since the main goal is to score) that points (scored by the offense) should be about 50%, yards should be between 25-35% and turnovers 15-25%.

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Points scored as a guage of offensive prowess is illogical

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points scored is most certainly one reliable way to gauge an efficient offense. not to mention the fact that more points equals more wins.

keep in mind, the offense doesn't play in a vacuum. defense and special teams matter greatly. lsu is superior in all 3 phases of the game. hence, lsu is undefeated.