re: Inconvenient stats, regarding John Chavis

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How so?

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Let's start with Talent. Below are rankings for each team's defensive recruits (not including athletes) from Rivals. As you see below, LSU has recruited better defensive players than TN the past 5 years. Chavis will have better players to coach so he should have more success at LSU.

2008
LSU 2008 Defense Avg is 3.63*
Chase Clement DE 4*
Lavar Edwards DE 3*
Chancey Aghayere DT 4*
Ryan Baker LB 4*
Kyle Prater LB 3*
Derrick Bryant DB 3*
Rockey Duplessis DB 3*
Karnell Hatcher DB 4*
Patrick Johnson DB 5*
Ryan St. Julien DB 3*
Brandon Taylor DB 4*

TN 2008 Defense Avg is 3.00
Willie Bohannon DE 3*
Steven Fowlkes DE 3*
Montori Hughes DT 2*
Herman Lathers LB 3*
Marlon Walls LB 4*
Gerald Williams LB 4*
StePhaun Raines DB 2*
Prentiss Waggner DB 3*



2007
LSU 2007 Defense Avg is 3.875*
Kentravis Aubrey DE 4*
Sidell Corley DE 4*
Joseph Barksdale DT 4*
Will Blackwell DT 4*
Drake Nevis DT 4*
Delvin Breaux DB 3*
Shomari Clemons DB 4*
Stefoin Francois DB 4*

TN 2007 Defense Avg is 3.73
Cory Hall DE 2*
Ben Martin DE 5*
Rae Sykes DE 4*
Rufus Williams DE 3*
William Brimfield DT 3*
Donald Langley DT 4*
Rolando Melancon 4*
Chris Donald LB 5*
Savion Frazier LB 3*
Chris Walker LB 4*
Deshaun Barnes DB 3*
Eric Berry DB 5*
C.J. Fleming DB 3*
Nevin McKenzie DB 4*
DeAngelo Willingham DB 4*



2006
LSU 2006 Defense Avg is 3.27*
Lazarius Levingston DE 3*
Charles Deas DT 4*
Al Woods DT 5*
Jacob Cutrera LB 3*
Derrick Odom LB 4*
Perry Riley LB 3*
Kelvin Sheppard LB 3*
Shomari Clemons DB 4*
Jai Eugene DB 4*
Danny McCray DB 3*
Jason Teague DB 3*

TN 2006 Avg is 3.11*
Walter Fisher DE 5*
Chase Nelson DE 3*
Victor Thomas DE 3*
Blake Garretson DT 3*
Jarrod Shaw DT 3*
Dorian Davis LB 2*
LaMarcus Thompson LB 3*
Gerald Williams LB 3*
Justin Garrett DB 3*


2005
LSU 2005 Defense Avg is 3.8*
Ricky Jean-Francois DE 4*
Al Jones DE 4*
Lyle Hitt DT 3*
Darry Beckwith LB 4*
Chris Hawkins DB 4*

TN 2005 Defense Avg 3.75*
Raymond Henderson DE 4*
Vladimir Richard DE 3*
Demonte Bolden DT 4*
Wes Brown DT 4*
Dan Williams DT 3*
Andre Mathis LB 4*
Rico McCoy LB 4*
Gerald Williams LB 4*
Marsalous Johnson DB 3*
Demetrice Morley DB 5*
Adam Myers-White DB 4*
Antonio Wardlow DB 3*



2004
LSU 2004 Defense Avg is 3.69*
Charles Alexander DE 4*
Tyson Jackson DE 3*
Tremaine Johnson DE 4*
Tim Washington DE 3*
Glenn Dorsey DT 4*
Marlon Favorite DT 4*
Claude Wroten DT 5*
Harry Coleman LB 3*
Quinn Johnson LB 3*
E.J. Kuale LB 4*
Luke Sanders LB 4*
Matt Stoltz LB 4*
Jeffrey Jack DB 3*
Craig Steltz DB 4*
Mario Stevenson DB 4*
Curtis Taylor DB 3*

TN 2004 Defense Avg 3.5*
Xavier Mitchell DE 4*
Antonio Reynolds DE 3*
Demonte Bolden DT 4*
Jesse Mahelona DT 5*
Robert Ayers LB 4*
Jerod Mayo LB 4*
Jonathan Hefney DB 4*
Ryan Karl DB 2*
Ellix Wilson DB 2*

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DeuceisLoose

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I think you're secretly becoming an LSU fan.

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No, I just do not think either Bama or OM will meet expectations.

If I'm wrong, well its not the first time.

For what it is worth, until hiring Hootie OM was likely my favorite fan base, probably still is. (Outside of AR that is)

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Those aren't big enough of differences in average stars to sell your point.

Recruiting rankings are subjective evaluations of talent.
If these were as important as the bammers like to think they are then LSU wouldn't have lost 5 games this year. Wouldn't have lost to Arkansas two years in a row.
That being said, I would rather have this 4 star over that 2 star. and John Chavis over the Malleveto Monster.

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I was actually surprised they were that close, it took so much time to put it together I went ahead and posted it anyway.

It is not great evidence of the talent difference. TN's defense the past few years has seemed soft, maybe you are onto something with Chavis.

Fortunately we will find out soon.

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I was actually surprised they were that close, it took so much time to put it together I went ahead and posted it anyway.

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I'm not. The "LSU has more talent than Tennessee" argument is essentially hogwash. They might have had slightly better talent, but it really isn't so much that warrants that much attention.

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Then TN should have produced better.

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ding ding ding

Most of the LSU fans on this board are so stupid that they think I'm stupid.
Intelligence recognizes intelligence.
I know you two raise average IQ on this board a significant number of points.

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The "LSU has more talent than Tennessee" argument is essentially hogwash. They might have had slightly better talent, but it really isn't so much that warrants that much attention.

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you have-nots and your rationalizing are so cute

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you have-nots and your rationalizing are so cute

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Coming from you, being berated for bias is pretty laughable.

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I'm not. The "LSU has more talent than Tennessee" argument is essentially hogwash. They might have had slightly better talent, but it really isn't so much that warrants that much attention

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We are slightly better. But the keyword is slightly. The impact I am most looking forward too, prob more than Chavis, is seeing how our secondary and dline look with new coaches. As good as we were under Pelini, it still looked like some fundamentals were missing. Earl Lane had a bigger impact on the recruiting trail and Mallory did pretty damn with the insane talent he had at the position. But there were way too many miscues and WRs left uncovered over the past couple years.

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We are slightly better. But the keyword is slightly. The impact I am most looking forward too, prob more than Chavis, is seeing how our secondary and dline look with new coaches.

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Brick Haley and Ron Cooper are both fantastic coaches. Probably two of the best coaches you'll find to coach Defensive Line and Defensive Backs. They should fix up LSU's defense quite a bit over the next few years.