re: If Spurrier wins a National Championship at South Carolina...

I'll just to take your word for it fella...

You mean our choice not to perform... If you like giving oral to SOS that's on you leave us heterosexuals out of it.

You guys really are strange.

Wait, I thought it was just me.

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So the point is moot.

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It is the only point available to Saban being in a comparable situation. How is that moot? The whole premise of the thread was hypothetical. Do you think that, had Saban stayed at MSU (hypothetically) he would be keeping the best Michigan talent away from UM and leading MSU to unthought of heights?

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I'll give credit for his work at Duke, but UF was always a sleeping giant. And the state of SC has never been devoid of talent, and splitting the state with CU is like Saban splitting talent with the barn.

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UF was a sleeping giant in a state with two other established giants already awake and raging. He took the talent they were used to relying on and used it against them. Which was my initial point. Building a winner out of nothing (USC and Duke) or taking a third rate team (UF) and making them first rate is a much more valid proof of coach worth than taking a historically great program in a lull (UA) or another pedigreed team with a deep talent pool that was being leached by outside programs (LSU) and making them winners again. Once is creating out of thin air and the other is kick-starting.

I would agree with your last sentence if Saban were at Auburn, instead of Alabama. If he were to take the bottom position and build them into the top team then it would be comparable, but he has only found success at established lead programs. Or, conversely, if Spurrier were at Clemson and was riding the top program's cache to re-imagined heights. Neither is the case though...

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Hypothetical situation we will never know how it would turn out, but 3/4 is almost impossible no matter where you coach.

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The whole thread is hypothetical. It's the offseason, everything is hypothetical.

But if you read these boards often you would realize that winning just one title at USC is also thought to be an almost impossible undertaking as well. The question is whether winning multiple times at a winning program is demonstrably better than winning once at a losing program. Which would be a better show of coaching acumen?

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Better than Saban in your opinion is fine with me. While a NC at USC would only give him 2 NC's. 1 at UF for SOS = 1 at LSU for Saban, and 1 at USC doesn't = 3/4 at BAMA. End of story plus Saban's not done with this run yet.

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Bill Russell had eleven NBA titles. Oscar Robertson only had one. Does that mean that Russell is better basketball player than Robertson? Emmitt Smith has three Super bowl rings while Jim Brown only has one. Is Smith the better running back of the two?

Number of titles is great, but it is not the be-all, end-all to measuring who the better coach is.

And since your adding more hypotheticals to an already made up conversation... Who says that Spurrier would stop at one?

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Yes if Saban stayed at MSU he would have brought them to new heights... He is a better more experienced coach now just like Spurrier is a better more experienced coach now.

Speaking of Duke. Saban took a Toledo team with a losing record the year before to a 9-2 season and co-MAC Championship.

Yes winning 3/4 at BAMA is more impressive than 1 (that hasn't happened) at USC. Saban would have. a NC at USC by now. IMO


I would rather have Russell than Robertson.
I would take Emmett an his OL over Brown and his OL.

And titles are not the only thing to consider but are the most important thing to consider. Remember the thread is IF SPURRIER WINS A NC AT USC. aka a TITLE


Oh, to the last point Spurrier has to win 1 at USC first.

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You do know it's 2013 and you can look pretty much anything up online instead of making up stuff you don't actually know the answer to... right?

Toledo was 6-5 in 1989 (not a losing record unless you have some backwoods dictionary I'm unaware of...), 6-2 in conference play. They were tied for second place in the conference. Two of those OOC loses were to Wisconsin and Indiana and the third was to Northern Illinois who was between stints in the MAC.

In Saban's year there he played Navy (Loss), Northern Illinois and Arkansas State OOC. He was 7-1 in conference and was co-MAC Champion with a team that he lost to (Central Michigan)... so how "Co" is that, really? Getting Northern Illinois, Eastern Michigan and Ball State at home, as opposed to on the road like the year before, and replacing Indiana with Arkansas State (Lost to Navy equals the loss to Wisconsin, a wash) would probably have more to do with their improved winning percentage than Saban... but that's just conjecture.

Titles are not the most important thing... their just a piece of the equation. Ted Williams never won a single World Series. I can still think he's the best hitter to ever hold a bat without them.

I would take Brown and no OL over Emmitt Smith and his OL, Robertson could outplay Russell in his sleep and Spurrier would have won five championships at Alabama by now, without letting his little brother have a go at the trophy... But opinions are like... well... you.