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re: I don't get this Gruden infatuation by Arkansas fans
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:59 am to molsusports
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:59 am to molsusports
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I don't have an informed enough opinion on Hudspeth to say what I really think about him
RE: Gruden? The dude burned out hard. He did an outright BAD job near the end with Tampa Bay. It was a dumpster fire.
The last time I saw things go that far south was Ditka in Chicago... and yet the Saints tards (thanks Buddy D) still insisted on going for him because he was a name coach
So with Gruden you have two issues: he may not know much of anything about how to run a college football program and he may no longer be anywhere near as good at coaching as what he originally was with the Raiders.
Yeah, those are good points. But it's hard to imagine a better option than Gruden considering the timing of everything. If LSU were in the same position, you guys would be tickled pink if Gruden was available and interested. It's not like Miles had an amazing pedigree prior to getting to LSU.
Is Gruden perfect? no. But he would seem, to me, to be the best possible option given the circumstances/timing.
...which is why it's not going to happen.
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:02 am to molsusports
He did burn out hard, but the time off couldn't do anything but help him find the love for coaching again.
If any college team could land him, their recruiting would go through the roof.
If any college team could land him, their recruiting would go through the roof.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:06 am to ocelot4ark
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If LSU were in the same position, you guys would be tickled pink if Gruden was available and interested. It's not like Miles had an amazing pedigree prior to getting to LSU
neither Miles nor Saban had an overly impressive resume before coming to LSU - certainly you are right if you argue many if not most LSU fans wanted a more prestigious ("name") hire than Saban or Miles... but the point IMO is the fans were wrong
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:06 am to Johnny America
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the Gruden stuff has just turned into a running joke.
Looks that way.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:07 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Arky fans on the other hand aren't willing to say that Gruden to Arkansas is doubtful.
I'll take it farther than that...I'm gonna say there's absolutely no chance, and I mean nairn a chance in chanceville of Gruden coaching at Arkansas. Now, having said that, watch that shite happen.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:08 am to molsusports
There is literally no way the info I just got could be right.....
If it is, hogville will be crashed for at least a week.
Wow.
If it is, hogville will be crashed for at least a week.
Wow.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:09 am to TopHog1
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There is literally no way the info I just got could be right.....
If it is, hogville will be crashed for at least a week.
Well....?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:10 am to molsusports
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neither Miles nor Saban had an overly impressive resume before coming to LSU - certainly you are right if you argue many if not most LSU fans wanted a more prestigious ("name") hire than Saban or Miles... but the point IMO is the fans were wrong
They weren't wrong, IMO. The more "prestigious" hire could have done just as well or better. It's not a zero-sum game. A different hire could have done better. We'll never know.
Imagine LSU had to fire Miles in this time period and faced with this challenge. Based on what's available, you think you guys would be okay with an up-and-comer from a small school that had been successful everywhere he had been, albeit on the small stage? Or would you want someone with more notoriety, be it college or pros? To me, Gruden is more about notoriety as much as he is coaching talent. I think it will take a big personality/reputation to improve our recruiting much, though LSU obviously won't have that problem.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:11 am to hollywood23
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Well....?
It's too super-secret, double-stampy important for us mere mortals to be made privy to.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:16 am to ocelot4ark
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They weren't wrong, IMO. The more "prestigious" hire could have done just as well or better. It's not a zero-sum game. A different hire could have done better. We'll never know.
you can't say with absolute certainty that the fans were wrong... but IMO you can hazard a pretty strong guess that they were
Both of them won the SEC a couple times and a NC while at LSU. Very few people IMO are capable of running a program at the top of the SEC.
FWIW I have the same conversation with LSU fans who like Gruden or Jack Del Rio or some shite. So you're not alone - I just don't want those guys at LSU either because I don't think they are good fits for teh college game
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:19 am to TopHog1
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There is literally no way the info I just got could be right.....
oh STFU
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:24 am to molsusports
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you can't say with absolute certainty that the fans were wrong... but IMO you can hazard a pretty strong guess that they were
Perhaps. I think LSU and Bama are two of the easiest schools to win at in the country. Amazing fan support, facilities, and talent base. Miles' pedigree at Oklahoma State doesn't suggest to me that it's impossible for a good coach from a BCS school to come in and replicate his success.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:31 am to ocelot4ark
If Alabama were all that easy to win at then there would have been more success in between Stallings and Saban
And doing ok at LSU should be well within the reach of a decent coach. You have to deal with being surrounded by a fanbase composed of shrill imbeciles but they support their team when they aren't being ridiculous. Doing better than OK? That's another story
We can debate Miles record at Ok State if you want in some other thread but he did remarkably well by the standards of that program (esp since he was there and left before Pickens started changing the whole university with big donations). Similarly people looked at Saban's record at Michigan State and weren't impressed... but for the program he was running he did well there
It is just much easier to be mediocre or fail outright than it is to succeed at a high level in the SEC. Even name programs like Bama, Florida (zook and maybe boom), Tenn (post 2001), LSU (the 90s) and UGA can point to more examples than not of that
And doing ok at LSU should be well within the reach of a decent coach. You have to deal with being surrounded by a fanbase composed of shrill imbeciles but they support their team when they aren't being ridiculous. Doing better than OK? That's another story
We can debate Miles record at Ok State if you want in some other thread but he did remarkably well by the standards of that program (esp since he was there and left before Pickens started changing the whole university with big donations). Similarly people looked at Saban's record at Michigan State and weren't impressed... but for the program he was running he did well there
It is just much easier to be mediocre or fail outright than it is to succeed at a high level in the SEC. Even name programs like Bama, Florida (zook and maybe boom), Tenn (post 2001), LSU (the 90s) and UGA can point to more examples than not of that
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:34 am to ocelot4ark
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It's too super-secret, double-stampy important for us mere mortals to be made privy to.
You are still mad?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:34 am to hollywood23
Hit me with your email and I'll let you know what I was just text
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:39 am to TopHog1
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Hit me with your email
Probably going to send you dick picks if I had to guess.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:46 am to molsusports
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If Alabama were all that easy to win at then there would have been more success in between Stallings and Saban
Looking at the hires they made, I don't think my argument is really all that discredited. Too lazy to verify.
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Even name programs like Bama, Florida (zook and maybe boom), Tenn (post 2001), LSU (the 90s) and UGA can point to more examples than not of that
That wasn't really my point, though. My point was that you should be able to hire a good coach from a BCS level team and expect them to be fairly successful at LSU/Bama. Yeah, you can go ahead and throw UGA/FL into that mix as well.
LSU, to me, is the best example based on Miles' pedigree, which is at least somewhat dubious compared to what he's done since getting to LSU. FL with Zook/Muschamp aren't good examples for my argument since I wouldn't say either of those guys had been good HC's at BCS schools.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:46 am to piggidyphish
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Probably going to send you dick picks if I had to guess.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:49 am to Johnny America
Looks like the word is spreading again.....Hogville is down again.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:50 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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A. He isn't coming to Arkansas
Damn, I'm going to miss you when you self-ban yourself this week...
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