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re: Hugh Freeze : Heir To Saban?
Posted on 3/15/13 at 2:36 pm to Bamatab
Posted on 3/15/13 at 2:36 pm to Bamatab
It's ok you're a homer Bama fan I get it. Ole Miss is in the SEC which means they already have the going for them. That gives them the best of everything from coaches to recruits to chances to get to the top 4 playoff.
So what "tools" do these teams have that Ole Miss doesn't?
I'm talking about the overall experience. Few places can compete with the grove, the women, and the atmosphere of Oxford.
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First off I'm am talking about tools & circumstances that give those teams a better chance than OM
So what "tools" do these teams have that Ole Miss doesn't?
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Secondly, what history and/or tradition does OM have since the SEC football teams were integrated? This isn't the 1960's.
I'm talking about the overall experience. Few places can compete with the grove, the women, and the atmosphere of Oxford.
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Posted on 3/15/13 at 2:57 pm to adammwilson
Look, OM just doesn't have the facilities, fan support, and revenue stream to compete in the upper echelon of the SEC. They are a perennial lower tier SEC West program. If they were in another conference (say the ACC), then they might stand a better chance. But no coach can expect to be able to compete on a yearly basis in a division that has Bama, LSU, TAMU, and Arky; much less in a conference that has those schools plus UGA, UF, Tenn, & USCe in it.
Now Freeze pulled out one heck of a recruiting class (I'm not going to discuss how I personally believe he was able to pull it off), but history has shown that that is the exception at OM, and not the rule. Normally the top recruits outside of the state want nothing to do with Oxford, MS. Just because the students and the fans like the grove and tailgate experience, that doesn't mean that the players do (especially since they can't participate seeing how they are playing in the game and all).
Now Freeze might luck up and win the SEC West. heck he may even luck up and win a SEC title. But I just don't see any way possible for him (or any coach for that matter) to be able to do that consistantly over a long period of time at OM.
Now Freeze pulled out one heck of a recruiting class (I'm not going to discuss how I personally believe he was able to pull it off), but history has shown that that is the exception at OM, and not the rule. Normally the top recruits outside of the state want nothing to do with Oxford, MS. Just because the students and the fans like the grove and tailgate experience, that doesn't mean that the players do (especially since they can't participate seeing how they are playing in the game and all).
Now Freeze might luck up and win the SEC West. heck he may even luck up and win a SEC title. But I just don't see any way possible for him (or any coach for that matter) to be able to do that consistantly over a long period of time at OM.
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:09 pm to Bamatab
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OM just doesn't have the facilities, fan support, and revenue stream to compete in the upper echelon of the SEC.
Their facilities are quite average by SEC standards but are very good overall.
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Just because the students and the fans like the grove and tailgate experience, that doesn't mean that the players do (especially since they can't participate seeing how they are playing in the game and all).
still a good atmosphere to play in.
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Normally the top recruits outside of the state want nothing to do with Oxford, MS.
Why would they? MS has so much talent there really isn't a reason too.
They got Delvin Jones from FL, Craig Drummond from IL, Bobbie Massie from VA. Those are within the last few years when Ole Miss was at its lowest. If you go back to when they were actually good they got a lot more.
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I just don't see any way possible for him (or any coach for that matter) to be able to do that consistantly over a long period of time at OM.
No I agree. Part of that is because the SEC is competitive. There is too much change over it's hard for any school to maintain success.
This post was edited on 3/15/13 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:15 pm to adammwilson
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adammwilson
So are you trying to insinuate that Ole Miss is some sleeping giant the rest of the SEC should fear?
They've been sleeping since before integration. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:19 pm to Bamatab
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facilities
Outside of our stadium, where are we lacking in facilities? And the only thing about our stadium is that it's smaller. It's not small, per se, but that's more an argument of semantics.
As far as dorms, classroom facilities, practice facilities, weight rooms, etc., we're on par with the best in the country. I don't buy the facilities argument one bit.
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fan support
Our fan base isn't that much smaller than Arkansas', Auburn's, or South Carolina's. I agree that it isn't the size of Florida's or Alabama's, but whose is?
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revenue stream
That really isn't a problem for anyone in the SEC, since we share revenue and all. The "poorest" teams in the SEC would be some of the richest in many other conferences. And once you pass a certain threshold of revenue, don't you think diminishing returns starts to set in? What, do you not think we can't afford to pay our coaches or something?
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:21 pm to RollTide1987
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So are you trying to insinuate that Ole Miss is some sleeping giant the rest of the SEC should fear?
No, just that they have a good football coach who isn't leaving and he has turned them around. I'm saying they should be competitive under him.
And as we discussed earlier perhaps go to an SEC championship game at some point.
This post was edited on 3/15/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:21 pm to Grateful Reb
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We already have you chode
From now on idiot! You knew what I meant frickstick!
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:25 pm to RollTide1987
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So are you trying to insinuate that Ole Miss is some sleeping giant the rest of the SEC should fear?
I think you're putting words in his mouth. I think he's saying that Ole Miss, as a program, has the potential to be good.
Look at South Carolina. Historically, they're a much worse program than Ole Miss. Yet Steve Spurrier has gone 31-9 there over the past three years, because he has done a great job of recruiting and coaching, and the fans and administration support him wholly.
No, they haven't won the SEC, and have only won the division once (when the East was kinda down anyway), but they've been a damn solid football team as of late. He literally changed the entire profile of that program.
This post was edited on 3/15/13 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:26 pm to Lee Chatelain
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From now on idiot!
From now on, no SEC team has won a national title.
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:27 pm to DCRebel
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I think you're putting words in his mouth. I think he's saying that Ole Miss, as a program, has the potential to be good.
Look at South Carolina. Historically, they're worse than Ole Miss. Yet Steve Spurrier has gone 31-9 there over the past three years, because he has done a great job of recruiting and coaching, and the fans and administration support him wholly.
No, they haven't won the SEC, and have only won the division once (when the East was kinda down anyway), but they've been a damn solid football team as of late. He literally changed the entire profile of that program.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:31 pm to DCRebel
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From now on, no SEC team has won a national title.
I love how Ole Miss fans think they have the "big dick" because they had a Top 10 signing class.
Please @ least make the SEC Championship game b/f you start popping off about doing anything else. Please go to a Bowl game other than the Liberty Bowl. Ole Miss is neck and neck with Vanderbilt with ZERO SEC Championship appearances.
This post was edited on 3/15/13 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/15/13 at 3:35 pm to adammwilson
Let's see how South Carolina continues to do when Tennessee starts recruiting like Tennessee again. SC has really benefited from the Vols being down these last few years. Fulmer & co. would consistently go into South Carolina and steal the state's top recruits. South Carolina also only has to contend with Georgia and Florida in the East right now. Ole Miss has to contend with Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Auburn, and Arkansas. Plus they have their in-state rival. Spurrier has had a much easier time competing in a division that essentially only has three teams in it right now.
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