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Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:36 pm to 3andOut
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:36 pm to 3andOut
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Still underperforming based on college years and draft stock.
the Saints got too antsy and picked Ingram in the 1st round that year. I think it was an overreaction because they had so many injuries at RB in 2010.
now... I agree on production. Ingram is just another average NFL back but a guy who had a lot of accolades in college. We've seen this with a lot of players, he isn't the first.
He's been inconsistent plain and simple. And that is disappointing considering he was a 1st round pick.
Trent Richardson is off to a good start at being a bust. I mean how often does a team use a Top 3 pick on guy in the first round and trade him after really only one full year with the team? That's laughable.
You could call the Browns idiots for making the pick in the first place but they made a nice recovery by getting back picks for him from the Colts. They have 2 1st round draft choices this year.
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:36 pm to 3andOut
Unless he names the busts I think we can chalk this up to a moron who knows nothing about the NFL and college football. Just likes repeating things he hears
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:37 pm to LooseCannon22282
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the Saints got too antsy and picked Ingram in the 1st round that year. I think it was an overreaction because they had so many injuries at RB in 2010.
now... I agree on production. Ingram is just another average NFL back but a guy who had a lot of accolades in college. We've seen this with a lot of players, he isn't the first.
He's been inconsistent plain and simple. And that is disappointing considering he was a 1st round pick.
Trent Richardson is off to a good start at being a bust. I mean how often does a team use a Top 3 pick on guy in the first round and trade him after really only one full year with the team? That's laughable.
You could call the Browns idiots for making the pick in the first place but they made a nice recovery by getting back picks for him from the Colts. They have 2 1st round draft choices this year.
OP already stated that a player has to have been in the NFL at least 5 years to be considered a bust and neither Ingram nor TR fit that.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:40 pm to 3andOut
quote:Saban has only been at UA for 7 years and I don't think we had anyone drafted his first year. You're basically talking about one or 2 draft classes.
Of all the people Bama has had drafted... How many are 5+ year veterans currently starting and towards the top of their position???
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:40 pm to StopRobot
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OP already stated that a player has to have been in the NFL at least 5 years to be considered a bust and neither Ingram nor TR fit that.
I don't care.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:41 pm to 3andOut
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So 2 out of how many people drafted before 2010 are still relevant?
And im making a fool of myself????
Yeah, you're making a damn big fool of yourself. Are you really this stupid at math? Your original post mentioned Saban. Saban's first year was 2007. His first full recruiting class of his own was the Feb. 2010 draft class of Julio Jones...which would have only had underclassmen. The only Bama players drafted prior to 2010 that were coached by Saban were Andre Smith...having a good career, Glen Coffee, who retired for personal reasons, Rashad Johnson...another guy having a damn fine career, and Antoine Caldwell, who's out of the league.
You really are this dumb, aren't you?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:42 pm to 3andOut
quote:I've watched about a total of 4 NFL games over the past 3 years. I have no idea who's doing well or not.
You should be able to name people instantly that have been in the league 4+ years and are successful starters.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:45 pm to StopRobot
I tried to at least give him some feedback considering I follow the Saints.
So let me guess... is this the year where Ingram turns some kind of a magic corner? In Year #4?
I sure as hell hope does, don't get me wrong.
if the OP has his own goofy system of determining how a player is a bust its cool though.
So let me guess... is this the year where Ingram turns some kind of a magic corner? In Year #4?
I sure as hell hope does, don't get me wrong.
if the OP has his own goofy system of determining how a player is a bust its cool though.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:47 pm to LooseCannon22282
Do the saints run a zone or man block scheme with running plays?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:48 pm to 3andOut
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Everyone else you named is still young within the 4 year limitation are they not?
Jeez...what a fricking idiot. So we're only talking one class...2009? That's it??? Then 50% have been a success...Smith and Johnson.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:49 pm to 3andOut
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Ryan Tannehill is doing a decent job for the talent he has at Miami
Tannehill sucks dude.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:50 pm to 3andOut
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Not impressed honestly. When I think Cardinals I think Patrick Peterson....
That's because you're not very bright. Johnson had just as many INTs and way more tackles than Peterson last year.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:50 pm to Patton
they started to use more zone schemes this year. And it wasn't working that well at first.
But at the end of the year, the O-line seemed to gel better and Ingram had a good game against the Eagles.
he did pretty good against the Seahawks too but he had a costly fumble.
but... he doesn't fumble very often.
Saints also missed 2 field goal in that game, plenty of blame to go around.
But at the end of the year, the O-line seemed to gel better and Ingram had a good game against the Eagles.
he did pretty good against the Seahawks too but he had a costly fumble.
but... he doesn't fumble very often.
Saints also missed 2 field goal in that game, plenty of blame to go around.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:54 pm to LooseCannon22282
I've read where Bama backs struggle when they get away from the zone blocking. TRich struggled with man in Indy and Cleveland. Lacey killed it in GB. A zone scheme should do well for Ingram in Nola.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:55 pm to Patton
also, the year that the Saints drafted Ingram, free agency hadn't happened yet because of the lockout.
they got Darren Sproles that same year. And he definitely was more productive because he caught a lot of passes along with an occasional solid run too.
I think if things were normal that year and they get Sproles before the draft, they don't even make that trade to get Ingram.
they got Darren Sproles that same year. And he definitely was more productive because he caught a lot of passes along with an occasional solid run too.
I think if things were normal that year and they get Sproles before the draft, they don't even make that trade to get Ingram.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:56 pm to 3andOut
Saban is the best coach on the planet. The NFL guys can't get what he can out of these players.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 4:02 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Yeah, you're making a damn big fool of yourself. Are you really this stupid at math? Your original post mentioned Saban. Saban's first year was 2007. His first full recruiting class of his own was the Feb. 2010 draft class of Julio Jones...which would have only had underclassmen. The only Bama players drafted prior to 2010 that were coached by Saban were Andre Smith...having a good career, Glen Coffee, who retired for personal reasons, Rashad Johnson...another guy having a damn fine career, and Antoine Caldwell, who's out of the league. You really are this dumb, aren't you?
Julio Jones is already injury prone this early in his career, Eddie Lacy will be hurt within the next 2. Coffee retired because he didnt like football... you can sugar coat it by saying personal reasons all you want. Andre Smith has some hope. Milliner, Fluker and Dareus have some as well, the rest... no. TRich and Ingram are HUGE busts. With as much hype as TRich had he should be able to average more than 2.8 per carry with 5 folding chairs as an O-Line, blame it on scheme all you want. So with that said 6, maybe 7 of 40 something players draft, MIGHT have 5+ year NFL careers with some relevance? Again for the best college football program EVER, and the best coach EVER. that has to be disappointing.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 4:05 pm to 3andOut
quote:Is that not a personal reason?
Coffee retired because he didnt like football... you can sugar coat it by saying personal reasons all you want.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 4:05 pm to 3andOut
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that has to be disappointing.
It's not, but you seem pretty mad over it.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 4:05 pm to 3andOut
quote:Not really.
Again for the best college football program EVER, and the best coach EVER. that has to be disappointing.
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