re: Has any coach ever actually retired from LSU.. or have they all been fired?

For some reason it seems the possibility of Lane coming to LSU bothers them.

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Why are you so angry? Are we not having a healthy debate here?

I just asked for some context.

I’m sorry I said you are new to this coaching search thing (that is a compliment to Alabama, in case you didn’t catch it)

Relax.

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What would I have to be angry about? I'm just stating the facts. If Alabama was doing what LSU is doing, I'd be melting. I don't want an AD who makes emotional decisions like they are a fan.

I've watched 9 different coaches and 9 national championships at Alabama. I think I've seen a good variety of good and bad coaches.

All I can get in response is "things are different now", as if cycling head coaches is the new way to success - even though nobody who has success is doing that. In reality, it's because everyone's gotten stupid and expect Nick Saban results and get upset at the first sign of struggles.

Meanwhile, LSU fans sound exactly like you did when you hired BK. And then just 3 months ago you were all sure you were going to win the NC.

Of course, I never would have hired BK to start with, but that's another topic.

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All I can get in response is "things are different now", as if cycling head coaches is the new way to success - even though nobody who has success is doing that.

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Well, this thread is about how LSU has fired all its coaches. Yet somehow three different coaches have won titles. Pretty interesting dynamic.

But let’s clear this up overall then because your post is perplexing. Are you stating that if you were an LSU fan, you wouldn’t want LSU to fire Kelly? Or are you just saying that it hurts us more to have fired him mid year?

If the latter, I ask that you elaborate because I have listed several reasons why firing him mid season has already benefited LSU for the future (2025 was over before we fired Kelly, we don’t care about the losses this year, so no need to harp on that)

If you are implying the former, in that Kelly never should have been fired, then simply ignore responding to this post because this conversation is over.

Lastly, I’ve watched the same football you have. Just for a few less years. Yes, indeed, times have changed. Just because you are a fan of a successful program does not mean you know more about football than me, or anyone else.

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If we treated coaches the way LSU does, Bear would have been fired in 70. Instead, he goes on to win many more NC. You fired Coach O 2 years off a NC. Bear went 11-0(did not win the NC), 8-2-1, 8-3, 6-5 and then 6-5-1 and didn't get fired. Then he switched to the wishbone and knocked out 3 more NC.

DuBose got 4 seasons before being fired - 4-7 his first, 7-5 his 2nd and 10-3 his 3rd. He was fired after his 4th and going 3-8 - after the season was over. Also for fricking his secretary.

Shula got 4 seasons before being fired - after the season was over. You know why? Because people were reasonable about the circumstances in which he took over. If he hadn't lost to Auburn for the 4th time going 0-4 against them, he might have been given another year.

Hell, you didn't even give Kelly a chance to finish his 4th season. He was 5-3 this year when fired.

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Coach O said he didn't know how to fix it. He was ready to accept his buyout. He completely gave up.

Brian Kelly was a casualty of the calendar. He was getting fired regardless. When you are taking vacations during the season, there is a problem.

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Well, this thread is about how LSU has fired all its coaches. Yet somehow three different coaches have won titles. Pretty interesting dynamic.

But let’s clear this up overall then because your post is perplexing. Are you stating that if you were an LSU fan, you wouldn’t want LSU to fire Kelly? Or are you just saying that it hurts us more to have fired him mid year?

If the latter, I ask that you elaborate because I have listed several reasons why firing him mid season has already benefited LSU for the future (2025 was over before we fired Kelly, we don’t care about the losses this year, so no need to harp on that)

If you are implying the former, in that Kelly never should have been fired, then simply ignore responding to this post because this conversation is over.

Lastly, I’ve watched the same football you have. Just for a few less years. Yes, indeed, times have changed. Just because you are a fan of a successful program does not mean you know more about football than me, or anyone else.

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As a fan I don't blame you for wanting him fired. He was not a great coach and his success was because of easier than normal ND schedules due to powers like USC and such being down. He basically never wins big games, has no idea how to make adjustments and just throws everyone under the bus. I tried to tell LSU fans when he was hired that he was a bad hire, only to be told I was scared, melting, etc.

What I'm saying is your AD can't be a fan and needs to be the adult, and they aren't. Yes it was bad for you to fire him mid season. It's also dumb that you are once again trying to steal a coach before the year is over by paying him retarded amounts of money.

Times have changed because people got stupid, not because the formula for winning national championships has changed. All the coaches that have won NC in recent years were with their teams for between 6-9 years. Some like Ryan Day were being called to get fired even as they were heading into the playoffs. Michigan fans had been crying over Harbaugh for a few years when they won it.

Coach O in his 3rd year is an exception, however he also inherited a program that had been really stable prior to that under Les Miles, and he was promoted from within your own staff.

Basically, your AD is repeating the same mistakes is what I'm saying. Just like Auburn did when they thought Gus needed to be gone. Just as Florida has repeated to do over and over, like when they fired Mullen, etc.

What your AD should have done was given BK the good ole "vote of confidence". Let him finish out the season, recruit, develop and allow your team to do the best it possible could. Then after the last game of the season, you fire him.

And then you hire a real coach after the season, rather than trying to spend a bunch of money to get a guy who is selfish as frick and burns bridges at every program he goes to because he's the media hyped flavor of the month while actually somehow being worse than your current coach.

But have fun with your shitty defenses and watching Lane find ways to lose big games. Just like with BK, let me go on record as saying - you fricked up.

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I don’t disagree with much of what you posted. And we will just have to agree to disagree on the firing in the middle of the season point, as I don’t think there is much benefit in keeping a coach around that you know you are going to fire. That’s akin to waiting until the kids are out of the house to get divorced. The kids can fricking see you hate each other, just get divorced like adults.

Not to mention, this year in particular, waiting til after the season really doesn’t make sense due to all the other openings. LSU is the best job of them all, why let the coach you’d like to have accept Florida or Penn state all because you wanted to give a shitty person the “vote of confidence”.

As for “stealing” Kiffin or any other coach, what do you expect? This is the real world. It’s a business. They aren’t gonna pull someone off the street and say hey, go win a national title. No, you go after who the most qualified candidate in that moment is. Who gives a shite if they are in the middle of the season. This is no different than any other business in the greatest country on earth. Capitalism, baby. Gotta keep up.

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The firing timing is about finishing the season as strong as possible and having a staff that keeps trying to develop and improve players, recruit new players, etc.

Tennessee made the opposite mistake with Derrick Dooley. Everyone on the staff knew he was a lame duck coach, everyone in recruiting knew he was a lame duck coach. According so someone in their AD that I know, the staff didn't care about development, recruiting, winning games or anything. They had all checked out and were spending their time looking for their next job.

What they should have done is fired Dooley mid season, found an interim coach internally to where he believes he could win the job if he does well(Coach O for LSU is a great example of when this is good). Then your staff wants to keep doing things with the hopes they keep their jobs, etc.

By firing BK mid season, you created a similar situation. When you could have let him think he was fine going into the future with a good ole vote of confidence, and then fire him at the end of the year.

Kiffin is fools gold. It's not about stealing him, it's about your AD being dumb enough to not only hire him, but to pay what they are, and to sacrifice so much to make it happen. The fact he would do that to a team he's spent like 6 years with should be a huge red flag. But you're just like the man who marries the girl who cheated on some other dude with them. You want the guy who won't even entertain your messages until the season is over.

What do you actually gain by getting him a month earlier? A slightly better recruiting class?

And he's not a great coach either. He's a great OC, huge difference. What has he actually done as a HC? Much like BK, he doesn't win the big games and somehow loses much worse games. Remember when he lost to Kentucky last year knocking Ole Miss out of the playoffs? Or when he blew the game @ LSU?

Maybe Kiffin changes. Maybe you won't have an extremely terrible defense and an offense that bites itself in the arse. But for now it's hype and your AD fell for it. Once again, your AD can't be the fan making emotionally based decisions.

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The firing timing is about finishing the season as strong as possible and having a staff that keeps trying to develop and improve players, recruit new players, etc. Tennessee made the opposite mistake with Derrick Dooley. Everyone on the staff knew he was a lame duck coach, everyone in recruiting knew he was a lame duck coach. According so someone in their AD that I know, the staff didn't care about development, recruiting, winning games or anything. They had all checked out and were spending their time looking for their next job. What they should have done is fired Dooley mid season, found an interim coach internally to where he believes he could win the job if he does well(Coach O for LSU is a great example of when this is good). Then your staff wants to keep doing things with the hopes they keep their jobs, etc. By firing BK mid season, you created a similar situation. When you could have let him think he was fine going into the future with a good ole vote of confidence, and then fire him at the end of the year. Kiffin is fools gold. It's not about stealing him, it's about your AD being dumb enough to not only hire him, but to pay what they are, and to sacrifice so much to make it happen. The fact he would do that to a team he's spent like 6 years with should be a huge red flag. But you're just like the man who marries the girl who cheated on some other dude with them. You want the guy who won't even entertain your messages until the season is over. What do you actually gain by getting him a month earlier? A slightly better recruiting class? And he's not a great coach either. He's a great OC, huge difference. What has he actually done as a HC? Much like BK, he doesn't win the big games and somehow loses much worse games. Remember when he lost to Kentucky last year knocking Ole Miss out of the playoffs? Or when he blew the game @ LSU? Maybe Kiffin changes. Maybe you won't have an extremely terrible defense and an offense that bites itself in the arse. But for now it's hype and your AD fell for it. Once again, your AD can't be the fan making emotionally based decisions.

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Jesus dude. Get a fricking life!

Kiffin is not my first choice actually, but I do disagree with you that he is not a good coach.

He had Tennessee headed in the right direction, and then got inherited a complete mess at USC. I think what he’s done at ole Miss, largely depending on the portal, has been stellar. And I think he’s the type of coach that can flourish in this new environment.

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What do you actually gain by getting him a month earlier? A slightly better recruiting class?

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Waiting until after the season very well may mean you don’t get your guy. Kiffin or otherwise. Both Florida and Penn state were already open.