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re: For all who keeps asking Thecaw “what’s a Disney Gator?”

Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:33 pm to
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:33 pm to
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Don't forget Freeze at Auburn. He wouldn't be recruiting this good with those two not being available.

Auburn has big boosters too. Yes, Freeze is benefiting from it, although he was good at "NIL" before it was legal.
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:36 pm to
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Auburn has big boosters too. Yes, Freeze is benefiting from it, although he was good at "NIL" before it was legal.

But wouldn't be doing as good as he is doing right now. Yes, he is good, but it changes everything big time with NIL and transfer portal rule change. NIL and transfer portal rule change makes life easier for HC in general.
Posted by theCAW
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:37 pm to
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You contradict yourself here.
it seems that way but that guy is a uaa plant that is trying to take what I say out of context

But it boils down to 3 things
1 be cheap
2 but spend enough to make it look like the uaa is trying
3 blame and gaslight the fans

That’s the uaa playbook
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:38 pm to
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But wouldn't be doing as good as he is doing right now. Yes, he is good, but it changes everything big time with NIL and transfer portal rule change. NIL and transfer portal rule change makes life easier for HC in general.

I agree
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:41 pm to
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But wouldn't be doing as good as he is doing right now. Yes, he is good, but it changes everything big time with NIL and transfer portal rule change. NIL and transfer portal rule change makes life easier for HC in general.
I agree

Mullen would've benefited this big time and not Napier.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:48 pm to
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Mullen would've benefits this big time.

Maybe. I don't think he really care for recruiting at all.

The coaches you mentioned: Freeze, Drink, and Kiffin, at least seem to tolerate it enough that it has helped them.

Mullen wanted to go to the NFL but was too weird/not good enough to become a NFL coach so he didn't have to deal with recruiting, so he's now in the booth and I think it'll be a while, if ever, before he comes back to college.

I think the NIL/Portal stuff would have hurt him more because of how much he hates dealing with it. Rather than the guys you cite who it has helped who either tolerate it or actually seem to enjoy it (Freeze for instance).
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:52 pm to
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Maybe. I don't think he really care for recruiting at all.

The coaches you mentioned: Freeze, Drink, and Kiffin, at least seem to tolerate it enough that it has helped them.

Mullen wanted to go to the NFL but was too weird/not good enough to become a NFL coach so he didn't have to deal with recruiting, so he's now in the booth and I think it'll be a while, if ever, before he comes back to college.

I think the NIL/Portal stuff would have hurt him more because of how much he hates dealing with it. Rather than the guys you cite who it has helped who either tolerate it or actually seem to enjoy it (Freeze for instance).

LOL
You really know Mullen personally? If Drinkwitz leave Mizzou, I would want Mullen.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:54 pm to
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You really know Mullen personally? If Drinkwitz leave Mizzou, I would want Mullen.


No I don't know him personally. But enough people who do know him have discussed what happened at Florida and why he got fired. It was well documented that he interviewed with the NY Jets and many people who knew him have said that he wanted to coach in the NFL and he hated recruiting.

If you want him at Mizzou, should Drink ever leave, have at it.

I personally never wanted him at Florida in the first place and even though Napier also sucks, and wasn't a fan of hiring him either, I am glad that Mullen is gone.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:00 pm to
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No I don't know him personally. But enough people who do know him have discussed what happened at Florida and why he got fired. It was well documented that he interviewed with the NY Jets and many people who knew him have said that he wanted to coach in the NFL and he hated recruiting.

If you want him at Mizzou, have at it.

I personally never wanted him at Florida in the first place and even though Napier also sucks, and wasn't a fan of hiring him either, I am glad that Mullen is gone.


Okay I get it but he is still better than Napier because Napier isn't getting it done the right way and is falling backwards right now. Look around FSU will be far better football program next year than Florida. Good luck in 2024.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:03 pm to
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Okay I get it but he is still better than Napier
That's not saying much at all.

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Napier isn't getting it done the right way and is falling backwards right now
So was Mullen when he got fired. Recruiting class was like in the mid 20s-30s and falling apart. He was getting blown out by South Carolina 40-17 while a 3 TD favorite. 0 road wins that year, barely beating a 4-5 fcs Samford at home.
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Look around FSU will be far better football program next year than Florida.
That would have been the case with Mullen too.
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Good luck in 2024.
Yeah it's going to be ugly.
Posted by theCAW
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:34 pm to


“@AllKindsWeather
“ is one of the most cringeworthy Pom Pom wavers there is. I get on his arse constantly about refusing to accept how bad things/coaches really are. It’s just gotten to be such a clown shoe he can’t even spin it anymore1
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:34 pm to
I am curious when did Florida knew Mullen wanted to coach in the NFL and was that after the new NIL and transfer portal rule change were announce? This is why he would recruit much better and not have to spend a lot of time recruiting because of the new transfer portal rule change and NIL.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:41 pm to
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I am curious when did Florida knew Mullen wanted to coach in the NFL and was that after the new NIL and transfer portal rule change were announce? This is why he would recruit much better and not have to spend a lot of time recruiting because of the new transfer portal rule change and NIL.

According to this article
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July 1, 2021: College athletes across the nation begin signing endorsement deals. The new laws take effect in Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Texas. And in all other states, the “interim” NCAA policy takes effect.


He was interviewing for jobs after the 2020 season. The season when he got fired was 2021, the first recruiting year of NIL. This was when his class terrible, and there were reports that he totally mailed it in with recruiting and got hammered with the whole "recruiting season" comment which, while it sounded bad, was kind of taken out of context imo.

There may have been many different factors, and maybe you're right that NIL could help him recruit, but on the small sample size, for whatever reason it seemed like he did worse during the first year when NIL deals officially began to be involved in recruiting.

EDIT: The transfer portal I think had been a factor since 2018-19, which was when Mullen began as the HC at Florida.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 11:46 pm
Posted by jonnyanony
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:45 pm to
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There may have been many different factors, and maybe you're right that NIL could help him recruit, but on the small sample size, for whatever reason it seemed like he did worse during the first year when NIL deals officially began to be involved in recruiting.



This was 100% on the admin though. They saw the NIL decision, thought it would be short lived and reigned in by the NCAA and said they wanted no part.

Got absolutely worked by the other SEC teams who were willing to exploit it no matter how long it lasted. To be fair, FSU and Miami did the same, and the state of Floridas draconian approach to NIl drove a lot of that.

So we weren't willing to play the game either way.
Posted by TrueLefty
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:46 pm to
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There may have been many different factors, and maybe you're right that NIL could help him recruit, but on the small sample size, for whatever reason it seemed like he did worse during the first year when NIL deals officially began to be involved in recruiting.


transfer portal would be his get go. Napier hasn't done that. That new transfer portal rule wasn't yet set up.
Posted by jonnyanony
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:49 pm to
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I personally never wanted him at Florida in the first place and even though Napier also sucks, and wasn't a fan of hiring him either, I am glad that Mullen is gone.


To me, Mullen was a guy who might get UF to 9-10 wins regularly until replaced with an up and comer.

Started off strong but he just walked away from the job. Like mcelwain. Not a good run.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:49 pm to
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This was 100% on the admin though. They saw the NIL decision, thought it would be short lived and reigned in by the NCAA and said they wanted no part.

Got absolutely worked by the other SEC teams who were willing to exploit it no matter how long it lasted. To be fair, FSU and Miami did the same, and the state of Floridas draconian approach to NIl drove a lot of that.

So we weren't willing to play the game either way.

True, they were bamboozled when NIL came into full effect. For all the shortcomings with Napier it does seem like he put a foundation for an NIL program into place from scratch.

It does not seem like Mullen had any interest in getting ahead of the curve with it, I remember he made a comment about Miami's NIL packages that joked something along the lines of "Is that legal?"

Dan Mullen questions if Miami's Name, Image and Likeness deal is 'legal'
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At SEC Media Days, Florida coach Dan Mullen was asked about an in-state ACC program when he met with local reporters. Earlier this month, it was revealed that American Top Team, a mixed martial arts academy with 44 licensed gyms, will offer $500 a month to all of Miami’s scholarship players for things like social media posts and personal appearances.

When Mullen was asked about the deal for Hurricanes’ players, he had a question of his own, per Matt Baker of the Tampa Bay Times.

“Is that legal?” Mullen responded.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:53 pm to
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To me, Mullen was a guy who might get UF to 9-10 wins regularly until replaced with an up and comer.

Started off strong but he just walked away from the job. Like mcelwain. Not a good run.

I was concerned that he would be like what we saw in 2021 when he was hired, but he proved to have the potential to be that 9-10 win a year coach to set up a foundation for an up and comer who could take it a step further. But he definitely tuned out. Honestly, even if he half-assed his way through 2021 I think he might've gotten another year or maybe 2 because his first 2-3 years were pretty solid. But he totally checked out and mailed it in.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:54 pm to
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True, they were bamboozled when NIL came into full effect. For all the shortcomings with Napier it does seem like he put a foundation for an NIL program into place from scratch.


Just completely blindsided. They thought it was a flash in the pan. That it would be corrected. A year later and everyone is scrambling to get a good foundation in place.

And they end up with the Gator Collective. Oof
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:55 pm to
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That new transfer portal rule wasn't yet set up.
When was that set up?

I don't remember exactly when the "new rule" was set up.

It was definitely around when he started though, as he picked up several players from the portal like Trevon Grimes and Van Jefferson in 2018, and then Jonathan Greenard in 2019.
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