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re: First to win an SEC title? USC or aTm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:39 pm to scrooster
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:39 pm to scrooster
...dude, your just blowing smoke out your arse....you sign off after I replied and now you sign back on...killing me man, your lengthy reply is just a bunch on shite...
..you defined the 300 mile radius and said it's better recruiting ground... with 4 million more people around CS, the odds are greater finding 5 star talent
..you defined the 300 mile radius and said it's better recruiting ground... with 4 million more people around CS, the odds are greater finding 5 star talent
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:40 pm to DudeofLSU
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...so you have 7 million+ people compared to 11 million+ ppl, still think the odds are greater finding 5 star talent with 4 million more people...also being within the same state - at home probably helps..
your math skills are atrocious. and just because you're in the same state doesn't mean you are "playing at home". I'm sure players in ATL and definitely Charlotte wouldn't have to travel as far to play in Colubmia as a lot of players in TX would have to travel to get to College Station.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:42 pm to Sheetbend
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TAM won almost twice the number of Blue-Chip talent last year. 15 to 8. That is the argument I am making.
Again, you're just using stars... thats retarded. aTm has a bigger fan base so their recruits are going to get a bump
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:44 pm to Cockopotamus
With Spurrier USC has the superior chance. Without him A&M does.
And if ATL and Charlotte are our turf then we do a poor job of landing the top talent. (In reality it isn't our turf - it's UGA's or UF's or UNC or whoever - and we do a pretty great job of landing a handful of guys we target).
USC is a smaller state, a smaller program. We have to use our resources smarter and more effectively to beat A&M. It's certainly possible it just takes some skill. With Spurrier at the helm, we've got that skill. Without him... I don't know, we'll see. But our next coaching hire is going to make or break us for the next 25 years as a top 10 program, in my opinion.
And if ATL and Charlotte are our turf then we do a poor job of landing the top talent. (In reality it isn't our turf - it's UGA's or UF's or UNC or whoever - and we do a pretty great job of landing a handful of guys we target).
USC is a smaller state, a smaller program. We have to use our resources smarter and more effectively to beat A&M. It's certainly possible it just takes some skill. With Spurrier at the helm, we've got that skill. Without him... I don't know, we'll see. But our next coaching hire is going to make or break us for the next 25 years as a top 10 program, in my opinion.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:46 pm to Cockopotamus
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your math skills are atrocious. and just because you're in the same state doesn't mean you are "playing at home". I'm sure players in ATL and definitely Charlotte wouldn't have to travel as far to play in Colubmia as a lot of players in TX would have to travel to get to College Station.
...don't have to travel far given that most are probably within your standard of the 300 mile radius..
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:49 pm to CHSgc
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And if ATL and Charlotte are our turf then we do a poor job of landing the top talent
we haven't done as well in Charlotte but we've done a great job in the Atlanta area the past couple of years
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:52 pm to Cockopotamus
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we haven't done as well in Charlotte but we've done a great job in the Atlanta area the past couple of years
My point is if you say its OUR TURF then the results are more mixed. If its OUR TURF we should rarely miss on someone we really want. That has never been the case. We do a good job of nabbing a few here and there, though, and that's OK b/c it's NOT our turf. We can't really lay claim to ATL like Texas/A&M can claim Houston. Their claim is much stronger.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:57 pm to CHSgc
ehh disagree. Lorenzo Ward has pulled just about everybody he wanted out of the Atlanta area the past couple years. We've certainly done more than "nabbing a few here and there" in Atlanta. Thats what we do in Florida
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:03 pm to Cockopotamus
No one is saying there isn't a great deal of talent around SC's campus. What everyone is saying is that a lot of high-profile programs are dipping their wick into that talent. The 300 mile radius outside College Station barely makes it to the Mississippi... we are really only competing against one SEC program for most of that top-tier talent (LSU). The top-shelf kids everybody wants will have a strong likelihood to stay close to home. Well, when home is farther away from other SEC programs and the kid wants to play in the SEC, that narrows his choices somewhat. SC is within 300 miles of UGA, Auburn and UT and almost UF and UK. According to google it's 308 miles from Kyle Field to Tiger Stadium and 396 miles to Razorback Stadium. Not the same situation. The recruiting environments between SC and A&M are not the same.
There are tons of recruits every year from Texas just from sheer numbers. You could argue quite strongly that the level of elite talent in each of those recruiting grounds is comparable or tilted SC's way. The differences is now more of the truly elite in the Texas area are choosing A&M because of the SEC. The leftovers (tons of good but not great players left over) can go to somewhere else. Those make up the talent pool we were getting for most of the 2000's.
Another thing that is different between the two is that the level of offensive talent in Texas is high, but truly elite defenders are at a premium. Those defenders will likely want to showcase that talent in the SEC instead of the Big 12, and they will likely chose A&M instead of another school in close proximity to comparable defensive talent.
There are tons of recruits every year from Texas just from sheer numbers. You could argue quite strongly that the level of elite talent in each of those recruiting grounds is comparable or tilted SC's way. The differences is now more of the truly elite in the Texas area are choosing A&M because of the SEC. The leftovers (tons of good but not great players left over) can go to somewhere else. Those make up the talent pool we were getting for most of the 2000's.
Another thing that is different between the two is that the level of offensive talent in Texas is high, but truly elite defenders are at a premium. Those defenders will likely want to showcase that talent in the SEC instead of the Big 12, and they will likely chose A&M instead of another school in close proximity to comparable defensive talent.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:13 pm to Cockopotamus
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ehh disagree. Lorenzo Ward has pulled just about everybody he wanted out of the Atlanta area the past couple years. We've certainly done more than "nabbing a few here and there" in Atlanta. Thats what we do in Florida
On our turf we get the Lattimores, the Gilmores, the Clowneys. We don't even try in ATL. We aim a bit lower. When was the last time we got a 5* from outside our borders?
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:16 pm to SWCBonfire
Good points
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:22 pm to CHSgc
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We don't even try in ATL
False. Seriously look at who we've gotten out of GA the past 3 years. Almost all of them are from the ATL area. Sure they're not all 4 stars but high 3s are just as good. Youll recognize a ton of names that will be big contributors on this years team
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When was the last time we got a 5* from outside our borders?
Culliver from Raleigh, NC is the last I remember.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:27 pm to Cockopotamus
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So why is the discussion continuing to be about the size of Texas, or the talent located within the boundaries of Texas?
Most of the perennial powers come from the biggest football talent states or can recruit on a national level.
North Carolina—Limited in-state talent, with 2nd-teir recruiting program. Spurrier has raised them from being a perennial 3rd tier SEC program.
Texas A&M—great football state with good coaching. Their golden era is just beginning.
Bama—national with great coaching and good football state
Florida—national and great football state They now have great coaching on both sides of the ball
LSU—national and good football state, Finally great coaching on both sides of the ball starting next year.
Georgia—great football state, below average defensive coaching.
USC—national and great football state—poor coaching at present.
Texas—great football state, but below average coaching.
Oklahoma—national recruiting, but losing ground in Texas.
Ohio St.—national and great football state.
Michigan—Great Tradition in a fair talent state, with strong recruiting program in OH and Illinois.
Nebraska—poor football state Their golden era in football is over.
Notre Dame—national recruiting with good coach.
Florida St.—great football state, but below average coaching.
Miami—great in-state talent, but lacks big-time facilities. Administration killed their recruiting program.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:36 pm to Sheetbend
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North Carolina—Limited in-state talent, with 2nd-teir recruiting program. Spurrier has raised them from being a perennial 3rd tier SEC program.
Where is the fricking ignore button.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:37 pm to Sheetbend
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South Carolina—Limited in-state talent, with 2nd-teir recruiting program. Spurrier has raised them from being a perennial 3rd tier SEC program.
You must be 16 or just started watching football, South Carolina has been historically lacking instate talent during the '12 and '13 classes, but make no mistake it is an anomaly and not the norm.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:39 pm to Cockopotamus
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You must be 16 or just started watching football, South Carolina has been historically lacking instate talent during the 12 and 13 classes, but make no mistake it is an anomaly and not the norm.
If it's the past 12 & 13 classes, sounds more like the norm and not an anomaly...
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:40 pm to Cockopotamus
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You must be 16 or just started watching football, South Carolina has been historically lacking instate talent during the 12 and 13 classes, but make no mistake it is an anomaly and not the norm.
2014 is going to be a banner year for talent in SC. We've got a dozen kids already listed with offers from LSU, Bama, Georgia, et al. We're looking exceptionally good with a number of other kids in Georgia, Florida and North Carolina ... so I like our chances to land an excellent class in 2014 especially given that we really only need to sign 15-17 in the 2014 class.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:41 pm to Cockopotamus
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False. Seriously look at who we've gotten out of GA the past 3 years. Almost all of them are from the ATL area. Sure they're not all 4 stars but high 3s are just as good. Youll recognize a ton of names that will be big contributors on this years team
I meant we don't try for the highest ranked ATL/surrounding area players. The ones we do get tend to be ones that UGA doesn't pursue as heavily. This is a relatively uncontested fact a/b recruiting, btw... the home team has an advantage. I don't disagree that we recruit ATL well but if all else being equal it's us vs. UGA for the recruit I'll have my heart w/ USC but my money on Georgia.
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Culliver from Raleigh, NC is the last I remember.
He slipped my mind. In my opinion we should recruit NC the hardest. Ton of talent and we can sell the SEC. We did well last cycle, I hope we get Spain, Scott, and another this time around.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:42 pm to DudeofLSU
Its obviously the 2012 and 2013 graduating classes.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 2:44 pm to Cockopotamus
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Again, you're just using stars... thats retarded. aTm has a bigger fan base so their recruits are going to get a bump
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