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re: Ellis Johnson says hurry-up offenses deteriorating the game
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:41 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:41 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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"The forward pass is deteriorating the game." - Leatherhead Lagursky 1906
they had more to worry about than the forward pass during that year(s). Nineteen were killed on the football field in college football in '05, and 18 were killed in '06
also....
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November 15 1906: Columbia University suspends its football program due to the high number of deaths and injuries.
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Harvard's president, Charles W. Eliot, was leading the charge to abolish football,
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Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:48 pm to bona fide
The brutality of early football is well known but I think you've missed the point of my post. The game evolves...continually. Ellis Johnson is going to have to do what all DC's will have to do....adapt.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:53 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Everybody still wearing a pissy diaper about this?!
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:53 pm to MrSEC
No, the game was ruined when they brought in the forward pass.
Dang kids.....get off my lawn.
Dang kids.....get off my lawn.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:55 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I don;t really like it myself, it's only enjoyable to watch when it is contrasted with the old smash mouth ball. I understand mid-tier programs running this, just don't know why the elite choose to do so.
Think it's possible to run an effective physical pro-style within the HUNH?
Think it's possible to run an effective physical pro-style within the HUNH?
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:55 pm to thirdlawson
Apparently.Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:58 pm to MrSEC
RA'd...no reason to talk about something from 3 years ago.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 12:59 pm to MrSEC
Ellis Johnson is a pussy.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:01 pm to bona fide
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Think it's possible to run an effective physical pro-style within the HUNH?
Malzahn's running game has a lot of power running involved. He speeds up the game and uses misdirection. Think of Ben tate 2009. He didn't get his 1500 yds running jet sweeps. He is a bruiser back and ran it up the middle. Todd was more of a pocket passer. So yes is the answer.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:08 pm to bona fide
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Think it's possible to run an effective physical pro-style within the HUNH?
No, not using Chip Kelly's philosophy. His goal is not to allow a favorable D package plus getting the ball to someone in space. This is directly opposite of lining up and running someone over. Now his O actually is pretty balanced (in 2011 3200 yds passing/4200 yds rushing), but it's a different kind of rushing. Also the QB must be able to run. One effect for example is that Cameron (LSU) is using the same terminology as Kelly. What this will mean, imo, is Copeland's big arse is going to be on the sideline a lot. I think the FB position will become a relic. Perhaps unfortunately, but like I said earlier, the game changes. One effect I think will come about is the type of D players recruited, especially LB's. I think finding LB's that are as quick as RB's will become mandatory.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:11 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Malzahn's running game has a lot of power running involved.
I was typing a reply to Bonafide when you posted this. I think you bring out a good point that is forgotten. It's a misnomer to think the HUNH is homogeneous. It can be ran on different philosophies.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:14 pm to agswin
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No, the game was ruined when they brought in the forward pass.
I know this is tongue-in-cheek but one solution to bring back more traditional football is to reinstate the bump-and-run rule. Get DB's that can jack up a receiver up and down the field will bring about a balance to giving the D a fairer chance, imo.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:19 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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reinstate
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Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:20 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Yes it can. In fact I believe I read that Cam Cameron was going to speed up the tempo of his offense. People sometimes confuse spread and HUNH as being exclusive with one another. The fact is Hurry up no huddle is just that and can be applied to any offense.
Malzahn has stated many times his is not a traditional spread. he uses spread elements, but his whole philosophy is based on speed and tempo in the way plays are executed. he wants to tire the Defense out which is why so many who run traditional offenses hate it.
It is hard to practice for that type of offense when your team doesn't run it. Sabans defense is full of big defenders. They use a lot of rotation to give those big boys a rest. HUNH takes that away and breaks down that big defender more quickly.
Malzahn has stated many times his is not a traditional spread. he uses spread elements, but his whole philosophy is based on speed and tempo in the way plays are executed. he wants to tire the Defense out which is why so many who run traditional offenses hate it.
It is hard to practice for that type of offense when your team doesn't run it. Sabans defense is full of big defenders. They use a lot of rotation to give those big boys a rest. HUNH takes that away and breaks down that big defender more quickly.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:23 pm to bona fide
Lester the Molester? (at first glance)
A truer safety issue could be resolved by mandating a 1-on-1 (like the NBA) for WR's/TE's and LB's/DB's (as long as bump-n-run was allowed). I think this would cut down on high speed collisions tremendously.
Just a thought.
A truer safety issue could be resolved by mandating a 1-on-1 (like the NBA) for WR's/TE's and LB's/DB's (as long as bump-n-run was allowed). I think this would cut down on high speed collisions tremendously.
Just a thought.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:26 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The fact is Hurry up no huddle is just that and can be applied to any offense.
Right, wishbone, power I, any O. The goal is to get favorable matchups and not allow D substitutions.
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It is hard to practice for that type of offense when your team doesn't run it. Sabans defense is full of big defenders. They use a lot of rotation to give those big boys a rest. HUNH takes that away and breaks down that big defender more quickly.
This is what I mean by changing the recruiting of D players. Mingo is not very big, comparatively, but will be used as a OLB/DE.
Posted on 7/3/13 at 1:31 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Exactly
Posted on 7/4/13 at 10:25 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
People will get tired of 56-48 football scores. Sports is about entertainment and it will get old soon to see arena league type football.
It's mainly the video game generation that likes that type of football anyways.
It's mainly the video game generation that likes that type of football anyways.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 10:29 am to Breesus2Jimmy
Geez you're dumb
Posted on 7/4/13 at 10:31 am to Breesus2Jimmy
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People will get tired of 56-48 football scores.
No they won't. Bama vs LSU 2011 at BDS was one of the best games I have seen. It was a 9-6 game and it was bashed for not living up to the hype, boring, hard to watch. Of course I think it was defensively the most awesome game I have seen. It is here to stay troll and you need to come to terms with that.
The amount of schools heading that direction is increasing, and your school just may be the next in line. Enjoy the HUNH breesus...
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