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Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:10 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Right. It just coincides with the 2011 NCAA rule change..
What rule change?
2007 <> 2011
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:20 pm to Vandyrone
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:32 pm to JayDeerTay84
Thanks for the helpful links. Now how does that help Vanderbilt or better yet, what prevents other schools from providing something similar?
What prevents other schools from having a program similar to Opportunity Vanderbilt, maybe on a smaller scale? What is your school doing to defray the rising costs of higher education?
What prevents other schools from having a program similar to Opportunity Vanderbilt, maybe on a smaller scale? What is your school doing to defray the rising costs of higher education?
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:40 pm to Vandyrone
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Thanks for the helpful links. Now how does that help Vanderbilt or better yet, what prevents other schools from providing something similar?
Don't thank me for the link if you aren't going to take the time to read them.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:44 pm to JayDeerTay84
Oh I definitely read both of them. Are you saying that those two amendments provide financial advantages to private schools? I don’t see any differentiation between public and private schools in either amendment.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:52 pm to Vandyrone
Do your own research. basically, everyone but Vandy fans understand how private schools operate differently than public/state schools and are governed differently with regards to scholarship requirements.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:09 pm to JayDeerTay84
You cited the amendments and claimed that they now somehow help Vanderbilt over your school. I’m just asking how does that happen.
I’ll ask again, what keeps other schools from having a program similar to need-based Opportunity Vanderbilt to reduce the costs of education? The other 13 SEC schools have an enormous number of alumni compared to Vanderbilt. Couldn’t they tap into that base to create a similar program? Maybe it’s just not a priority.
I’ll ask again, what keeps other schools from having a program similar to need-based Opportunity Vanderbilt to reduce the costs of education? The other 13 SEC schools have an enormous number of alumni compared to Vanderbilt. Couldn’t they tap into that base to create a similar program? Maybe it’s just not a priority.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:17 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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Elite academic and athletic school (baseball) for the same cost as a state school which only might be elite in athletics. That’s a no-brainer.
So you're actually complaining that a university is doing college athletics the exact right way? Isn't that the point of college athletics - to get a great education while also having the chance to see if professional sports are a possibility? Yes, it's an advantage, but the advantage is way more about the fact Vanderbilt is currently both an elite university and elite baseball program than it is about Opportunity Vanderbilt being some unfair advantage. Opportunity Vanderbilt merely levels the financial playing field that would typically hurt a private school competing with state schools.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:25 pm to Vandyrone
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The other 13 SEC schools have an enormous number of alumni compared to Vanderbilt. Couldn’t they tap into that base to create a similar program?
I dont know how else to say that no matter how much money A&M, LSU, Bama etc gets from donors or football, they are not allowed to use the money however they want.
Private schools are vastly different.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:31 pm to DoreonthePlains
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Opportunity Vanderbilt merely levels the financial playing field that would typically hurt a private school competing with state schools.
You guys can quit quoting "Opportunity Vanderbilt". It has little to do with that and more to do with the NCAA rule change.
Look at TCU's post season success in the NCAA tourney. Lines up with Vandy's minus the lone title.
Before the rule change, it for sure sucked for private schools. I wont deny that. However, the the rule change allowed it not only to help the private schools, but because of their structure and ability to have an "educational scholarship for anything they want" it is now an advantage.
It doesn't bother me. What bothers me is you guys acting like it doesn't exist.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:36 pm to JayDeerTay84
I would think that as long as the criteria is applied to all incoming students equally, that it would be an excellent use of money. But maybe just not a high priority.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:40 pm to Vandyrone
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I would think that as long as the criteria is applied to all incoming students equally, that it would be an excellent use of money. But maybe just not a high priority.
The way the rule is written, you are correct. The scholarships have to be available to all students at the university.
However, its the school decisions on who as "awarded" that scholarship.
Unlike a state scholarship or state aid, for an example, Vandy's admins directly decide who gets the money...
It is what it is. Its better than Vandy getting dick'd over on the old rules I would say and as I said before, if LSU had a way to do the same, they would.
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Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:53 pm to JayDeerTay84
Thanks for the excellent response.
IMO you are overstating the impact of the rule change on Vandy baseball. The 2013 team had 12 players drafted and all of them were on campus before the rule change. Only this year’s team had more.
I’m going to do some more checking Into any potential impacts between public/private since there’s nothing concrete in this thread. Maybe speculation/maybe not.
IMO you are overstating the impact of the rule change on Vandy baseball. The 2013 team had 12 players drafted and all of them were on campus before the rule change. Only this year’s team had more.
I’m going to do some more checking Into any potential impacts between public/private since there’s nothing concrete in this thread. Maybe speculation/maybe not.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:55 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Unlike a state scholarship or state aid, for an example, Vandy's admins directly decide who gets the money...
That's why we're quoting Opportunity Vanderbilt though. That's what the financial aid program is called where all students are offered money based on financial need. The admin isn't deciding anything because the formula used to determine how much each family can pay for the student's education is applied equally across the board for all students and not at all up to the school to decide who is "'awarded' that scholarship" because it's just a math formula.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 4:08 pm to DoreonthePlains
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That's what the financial aid program is called where all students are offered money based on financial need. The admin isn't deciding anything because the formula used to determine how much each family can pay for the student's education is applied equally across the board for all students and not at all up to the school to decide who is "'awarded' that scholarship" because it's just a math formula.
Vandy is an elite school. It doesn't take much to "need money" to pay for the school bill.... Further, its not the only avenue for receiving money. Is it not?
Posted on 6/8/19 at 4:10 pm to Vandyrone
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IMO you are overstating the impact of the rule change on Vandy baseball. The 2013 team had 12 players drafted and all of them were on campus before the rule change. Only this year’s team had more.
Well Corbin is an elite coach. College baseball has had numerous changes to level the playing field and has allowed for the parity we see today.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 4:27 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Vandy is an elite school. It doesn't take much to "need money" to pay for the school bill.... Further, its not the only avenue for receiving money. Is it not?
Well, obviously, the tuition is higher. That's a bit part of why the program was instituted (before the NCAA rule changed, too, to kill that conspiracy theory, not that it had been presented yet).
No, the need-based scholarships offered by the Opportunity Vanderbilt program are not the only source of financial aid for Vandy. However, only the top 1% of Vanderbilt's incoming freshman class gets merit-based scholarships from the university. Also, any other scholarships or grants are accounted for before determining the financial "need" of a student. So, while the Opportunity Vanderbilt program may not be the only way to get financial aid, its benefit would almost certainly (like more than 99% of the time) be offset by any other financial aid a student-athlete receives, so the student-athlete would still only be at the same financial benefit as Opportunity Vanderbilt alone would offer.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 5:28 pm to DoreonthePlains
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No, the need-based scholarships offered by the Opportunity Vanderbilt program are not the only source of financial aid for Vandy. However, only the top 1% of Vanderbilt's incoming freshman class gets merit-based scholarships from the university. Also, any other scholarships or grants are accounted for before determining the financial "need" of a student. So, while the Opportunity Vanderbilt program may not be the only way to get financial aid, its benefit would almost certainly (like more than 99% of the time) be offset by any other financial aid a student-athlete receives, so the student-athlete would still only be at the same financial benefit as Opportunity Vanderbilt alone would offer
Right, so they can move the money around to those that have been on campus longer than a year and save the 11.7 for the new guys...
Posted on 6/8/19 at 5:53 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Right, so they can move the money around to those that have been on campus longer than a year and save the 11.7 for the new guys...
Um...what? The OV financial aid number wouldn't change for those guys between 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year on campus.
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