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re: Dre Kirkpatrick (bama 5 star) might not qualify
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:16 pm to Alabama Slim
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:16 pm to Alabama Slim
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are you retarded?
I know its hard to believe but LSU has delusional fans as well, although most aren't actual graduates of the university.
You do have to admit its a total crock of shite to think the players weren't selling those textbooks. I would of bought one for the right price.
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Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:18 pm to LesMilesBandwagon
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You do have to admit its a total crock of shite to think the players weren't selling those textbooks. I would of bought one for the right price.
The only reason I don't believe they were selling them is because when they take a book out of the store, it goes on their student record. If they do not return the books at the end of the semester, they are charged for them and are forced to pay the full price for the book. It doesn't make sense to sell a book at a "discount" to friends, when they're going to have to pay in full later. JMHO.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:21 pm to superman
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The only reason I don't believe they were selling them is because when they take a book out of the store, it goes on their student record. If they do not return the books at the end of the semester, they are charged for them and are forced to pay the full price for the book. It doesn't make sen
So they just gave them away instead??? I'm not sure i follow the logic, but i might not know how things "actually" went down.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:21 pm to superman
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You do have to admit its a total crock of shite to think the players weren't selling those textbooks. I would of bought one for the right price.
they have to turn them in at the end of the semester, but I guess they could have been renting them out, who knows.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:23 pm to LesMilesBandwagon
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So they just gave them away instead??? I'm not sure i follow the logic, but i might not know how things "actually" went down.
I would assume they got the books for friends under the understanding that they would be returned to the player at the end of the semester to turn back in to the book store. I damn sure wouldn't pay someone for a book and then be expected to give it back at a later date. I could just be being ignorant, though.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:24 pm to Alabama Slim
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hey have to turn them in at the end of the semester, but I guess they could have been renting them out, who knows.
I see..... so if i was an attorney i'd ask one more follow up question, how were these kids passing classes if they didnt have a text book?
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:26 pm to LesMilesBandwagon
Keep in mind also that there were 202 athletes involved, and only 22 were found to be intentional wrong doers. This likely means that a large number of the infractions occurred (based on UA reports) when athletes got books for free that were not listed as being "required" by the professor of the class. "Recommended" books by the professor are not provided to the student-athletes for free, and apparently a lot of the players and book store personnel did not know this policy, or else were not checking to ensure that these books were "required".
This post was edited on 6/12/09 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:30 pm to LesMilesBandwagon
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I see..... so if i was an attorney i'd ask one more follow up question, how were these kids passing classes if they didnt have a text book?
They weren't loaning out their own books, they were getting "extra" books for friends, girlfriends, etc... and no one was noticing.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:31 pm to superman
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"Recommended" books by the professor are not provided to the student-athletes for free, and apparently a lot of the players and book store personnel did not know this policy, or else were not checking to ensure that these books were "required".
I could really care less what goes on at some other university, but you seriously dont believe this do you??? I do like the way you defend your team!
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:34 pm to LesMilesBandwagon
That's just the only rationale provided by the University - and the only possible scenario that has 180 of the 202 athletes that committed the infractions - doing it "unintentionally". Maybe I'm gullible.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:36 pm to superman
Was joking i know they made a mistake i mean there college kids. I hate to admit but if thats all it was then they really fell victim to a dumb rule. It's not like these thugs florida are recruiting. I mean dre was funny at that conference he is gonna be a clown on yalls on team. Lsu fans are normally joking when they say they hope the ncaa nails yall to the wall thats something you never wish even on your most hated rival.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:42 pm to superman
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The only reason I don't believe they were selling them is because when they take a book out of the store, it goes on their student record. If they do not return the books at the end of the semester, they are charged for them and are forced to pay the full price for the book. It doesn't make sense to sell a book at a "discount" to friends, when they're going to have to pay in full later. JMHO.
I suspected BS because that is not how it works at most universities including Alabama. You do not have to return any books if you do not want to and the university might not accept them even if you do want to return them for example if a new edition comes out. You pay the full price up front and if returned at the end of the semester you can get up to 25% off your next book purchase. (At LSU they give you cash back for used books).
Why would you want 25% off if you can get them for free next semester or at a discount from a friend who happens to have 2 books?
What most students do at the end of the LSU semester is either return them for a minimal amount of cash or sell them online for higher prices. If LSU had a new edition come out and would not take your book back, you had to sell them online because other universities are still using that edition or eat the book at put it in your closet.
There is 2 possible money transactions that can occur, when extra books resold and when books are resold. Only way no money is passed is if they student athlete gives the book away for free and when the semester ends the student who received the free book puts the old book in their closet or returns for up to a 25% discount. I think most bookstores would catch on to 201 student athletes returning 2 copies of each book and I know that did not happen.
Link to Bama return policy:
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Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:53 pm to bhelmLSU
That is for students in general. The same book policies do not apply to students on athletic scholarship.
Posted on 6/12/09 at 11:53 pm to bhelmLSU
The return policy was changed last fall. Prior to that time, student-athletes had to return all books given to them by the bookstore, or else pay for them at the end of the semester.
Posted on 6/13/09 at 12:07 am to superman
But that shows you that it did not happen that way. If that is the case each student would be turning in 2 books and the university would know there was a problem. No one would believe that every student who took 2 books returned each one and it just flew over their head.
There is likely one unaccounted for book in each case where they were free to do with what they wanted. If not then the university knew all along what they were doing was against the rules.
To think that not one of the 201 athletes did not gain financially is not living in reality. Especially when there is potentially 2 ways to gain $$$ on the front-end and back-end.
There is likely one unaccounted for book in each case where they were free to do with what they wanted. If not then the university knew all along what they were doing was against the rules.
To think that not one of the 201 athletes did not gain financially is not living in reality. Especially when there is potentially 2 ways to gain $$$ on the front-end and back-end.
Posted on 6/13/09 at 12:09 am to bhelmLSU
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But that shows you that it did not happen that way. If that is the case each student would be turning in 2 books and the university would know there was a problem. No one would believe that every student who took 2 books returned each one and it just flew over their head.
This..
Posted on 6/13/09 at 12:25 am to superman
Even if they are loaning them to friends it would still be possible to rent them easily. I had a book last semester that had to be bought new and it was like $100. LSU would only buy it back at $3. So I think most people don't realize how costly books are and just renting them would be better than buying and selling them back. There are a lot of books I wish I could have rented for a low price if it was an option in college. I would say the kids understand the idea of free money. I would also assume 200 athletes just didn't happen to frick up. I believe it is more likely that some realized it and got word out in the community that it was a known thing to take advantage of each semester. I would say a vast majority of college students would agree with this scenario and I think this is why the whole situation is BS. College students are very aware of being poor and things costing money while in school. College kids will work the system if the opportunity arises.
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